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I had the same thing marking OU assignments many years ago.
I had about 20 papers to mark and at one point thought I'd incorrectly put one in the wrong pile as I was sure I'd seen it before (it had a few unique errors that stood out). I also did my marking in the pub, but that's another story...
So, two almost identical papers. After being reported they claimed they didn't know each other, despite sitting beside each other at every tutorial. They were told there were 60 marks available for the joint paper and would they care to let us know how the wished the marks proportioned between them. They stuck to their story and got 30 marks each, along with a final warning.
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Good but the methodology is flawed because the question and answer were posted before the exam.
Someone may stumble upon that particular question and answer, not understand the reasoning and committing it to memory - sadly in Engineering I met a lot of students that studied old exams verbatim and managed to get passing votes because there are only so many questions you can ask in ever reducing exam durations.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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den2k88 wrote: there are only so many questions you can ask in ever reducing exam durations.
In the exact subjects, just change the numbers a bit and you have a brand-new question.
Of course, then the instructor would have to solve the new question, rather than using the crib sheet handed down from previous instructors. That might cut into his/her/its research time.
/s
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: In the exact subjects, just change the numbers a bit and you have a brand-new question. Most of those students were clever enough to remember the steps to solve the problem and fix the numbers, but without understanding neither the problem nor why the solution was what it was. Sometimes they were grossly ed because a single change in the parameters would completely change the category of problem, you caould smell something like that happening by the smile on the face of the professor when handing the exam papers.
Also copying from other students was discouraged giving alternating versions of the exam questions, in some cases up to 27 different versions so that every student was surrounded by 2 rows of different sheets, and during exams usually seats where spaced with an empty seat in all four directions.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Of course, then the instructor would have to solve the new question, rather than using the crib sheet handed down from previous instructors I had a few idjits like that. Most of our exams were not multiple choice, but lazy professors would simply check the final number without bothering to actually examine the answer, and sometimes they failed in that too and had to be corrected by a horde of enraged students.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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den2k88 wrote: Most of those students were clever enough to remember the steps to solve the problem and fix the numbers, but without understanding neither the problem nor why the solution was what it was.
IOW, they were like many of the "Send codez please" crowd in QA.
den2k88 wrote: Sometimes they were grossly [mastadon] ed because a single change in the parameters would completely change the category of problem
Again, like many of the people in QA.
den2k88 wrote: Also copying from other students was discouraged giving alternating versions of the exam questions
And yet, they still try to cheat.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Me too, just work past papers until you can figure out the style of question and then waffle...
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Wait, people were allowed to go to the bathroom during the exam and used their phone from there?
Never mind the phone, back in my day, you weren't allowed to leave a 3-hour exam to go to the bathroom.
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Yeah but back in those days I could guarantee lasting three hours between pees.
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Same here. Good thing I'm not faced with taking a three-hour exam any time soon.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do. - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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These are highschool and college kids we're talking about. Not us old timers who have bladder control issues...
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For 3 hour plus exams we were allowed two drinks (sealed containers) and snacks (sealed containers) also there was mascots allowed on the desk (one student in Control Systems Engineering desk was buried by small bears(!))
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glennPattonWork3 wrote: mascots allowed on the desk
I suppose that's how things start. Why? Emotional support?
Watch people bringing in their pets now.
Scratch that. I'm certain it's already been done. I don't look to google it.
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In the old days they would have been called talismans. New language for old concepts.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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In my day, I think you were allowed to use your own pen and, for appropriate exams, your own slide rule!
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I was about to say the same thing.
We we're allowed a bathroom break, but only one person at a time and no phones
It seems this cheating could've been fixed a lot more easy...
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In the days before mine there were exams lasting 8 hours, they had measures in check to allow for the lunch break (2 hours, we ARE italians) and two bathroom breaks. Architecture still had them.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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Ah, 14 potential future Harvard presidents.
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...and a Nobel Laureate or two I believe
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Reminds me of a big company I joined in my third year at university as part of my sandwhich degree.
There was a whole assessment day as part of the application process and one of the tests on that day was an IQ test.
The sheet I was handed had all the answers written on it in pencil, so I put my hand up and explained that the answers were on the sheet when the invigilator approached me.
The invigilator quietly told me to just carry on.
I wonder if I got the place because I was honest rather than the results of the IQ test(I'm not the best with IQ tests).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: sandwhich degree.
Where do you work now, Subway?
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Yes, because I can't even spell "sandwich"!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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At least you didn't spell it "sandwitch"...
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Oh Reddit is hyperlinked, so can read the original story... NOPE
ok, maybe somewhere else links the reference article... NOPE
in the comments of 60+ people ... NOPE
wtf
oh, this reddit post is 4 years old, no wonder they don't want to reference it.
there is recycle, and then there is I don't know how to do reporting.
unless its a bot article, which when the search on their site for author doesn't work. 🤷
interesting read, as well as the original.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRevenge/comments/e8f0z1/not_my_revenge_but_my_professor_against_cheaters/
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Back when I was a college student, I worked for a professor as one of his research assistants. We were tasked with researching material for him to present to his freshman classes. We smelled that there was a lot of cheating going on, so we came up with a solution: The questions and answers were in a file on the computer. We added an algorithm using a random number generator which scrambled the order of the questions. For each exam, we also printed a sheet with the correct order of questions. You should have heard the howls at the frat houses when the students who cheated, which turned out to be more than half of them, got their exams back.
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