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Mark_Wallace wrote:
i.e. it assumes that everyone infected gains immunity, where the reality is that 9.5% (based on today's figures[^]), rather than become immune, die. In a recent study, those who die from a disease are permanently immune to it.
Obviously, here our A->B includes a that unfortunate byproduct. It's still out of the reaction.
And the 'catalyst' model still holds. In the real world of reactions, one wants to go from A to B with the help of catalyst C. What happens is that one goes from A to B, gets some B1, B2, D, E, Q . . . and a lot of the effort in catalyst research is to get as much A to B as possible relative to the rest (under milder conditions, if possible).
- For what it's worth, I did a computer simulation of this in the 80's - gas/surface interactions - and then had experimental proof as well to the hypothesis. And if I explained it in only rigorously scientific terms it would be basically unreadable to most lounge readers.
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Not all infections give permanent immunity. For most corona viruses it only lasts between 6 and 24 months. We're at least a year from being able to start characterizing this one.
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Granted. Permanent immunity is not guaranteed. For that matter, it may even slowly mutate its way through the population until the new version comes back to strike again (flu, cold, etc.) and permanent immunity doesn't help much.
This[^], along with interesting considerations, agrees with your point. Particularly towards the end.
On a sunny note, of sorts, the author expect a likely scenario is it joining four other Corona virus' that are typically with us along with the flu, sharing the season - but since kill or severely sickening the hosts doesn't spread the virus very well, it will likely evolve to an illness with generally minor symptoms. Alas, not in a time frame anywhere near 'Yesterday'
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Actually disease propogation is a difusion process caused by random contact with contagious people rather than random motion of molecules.
Rules to live by:
1, wash your hands with an antiviral, not antiseptic or anti-bacterial.
Avoid large groups of people who are coughing.
3. Don't kiss anyone with a runny nose.
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I can see the diffusion point of view. On the microscopic level, all chemical process are prety much diffusion processes.
They have some other tricks, too, such as a something like proton transfer in aqueous solutions: the proton doesn't have to actually move - the charge propagates along the (H20)n chain. Fortunately, disease should be able to mimic this. Unfortunately, however, human behavior (as in deciding they need to hoard) does . . .
I just picked out one model that wasn't too difficult to describe. Is a person sneezing an SN1 or SN2 reaction?
Unlike the chemical in a reaction it has one special caveat that most annoying: unpredictable behavior of sentient reactants.
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So in nine months we should expect the corona babies[^] .
In 2033 they will become the quaranteens.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: In 2033 they will become the quaranteens. Sorry, but they've already been named[^].
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I think maybe we need a vote. Both excellent names!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I think maybe we need a vote. Hmm.
If only had some tool whereby CP members could vote on something...
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I know. Can you imagine...
(You can make your own if you wish)
cheers
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Didn't know it was a competition.
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I vote for 'Get off my lawn'-ies
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Asking for a friend.
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After you eat them, eventually they are.
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It's a pity to waste food. Just prepare them as usual and pass them off as having beans as an ingredient.
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And the winner of the grossest response goes to...
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I was an avid reader of alt.tasteless back in the day. Nowadays it would be de-platformed.
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Supermarket out of toilet roll?
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Shelves are bare... no meat, veggies or bread either. They promised shipments within the next couple of days.
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Good grief.
I went to my local supermarket this morning, and bought my usual bread, 6 chicken breasts, and some beef mince for meatballs. Along with liquid soap, and anti-bacterial clothes washing liquid. They had no pasta, no toilet rolls, but I keep those in stock anyway ... Either wales is being "more sensible" than the USA, or more restrained, I guess.
Don't they say that "civilisation is twenty-four hours and two meals away from barbarism"? Sounds like you could be finding out soon ... hope not.
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I think that's very much area dependent.
I live in a location that has a pretty dense population (my home is on a 40x100 foot lot). There was a first-round buying frenzy and shelf-emptying but they were restocked very quickly. Some nuts keep up the over-buying but some stores are enforcing nut-mittigation limits.
The current hassle, so far as I can see, is stores limiting the number of concurrent customers. You are cued until someone leaves. One in after one out. Another thoughtful change is some stores instituting some seniors-only early shopping hours.
Umm? What's left? Well, I already had laid in a good supply of single malts so I'm ready for whatever comes.
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I've just had an email from the CEO of Tesco (the biggest supermarket chain in the UK):
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From Thursday 19 March we will start to implement the following changes:
•To ensure more people have access to everyday essentials, we are introducing a storewide restriction of only 3 items per customer on every product line, and removing multi-buy promotions.
•In order to allow Tesco colleagues to focus on stocking shelves, helping to provide the essential groceries you are looking for and to avoid waste, we will close all meat, fish, deli counters and salad bars.
•To be able to ensure our stores are clean, that we can replenish stock, and allow our colleagues to rest, we will change our trading hours with all stores closing at 10pm.
•To ensure we are doing everything possible to reduce the risk of infection for both our customers and colleagues, we will be introducing some distancing measures at the checkout and, to make it swifter, invite customers who can, to pay by card.
•To help free up slots for the more vulnerable, such as our elderly customers and those who are self-isolating, we are encouraging customers who shop online or choose Click+Collect for their grocery home shopping, to prioritise shopping in-store where possible.
•To ensure our more vulnerable and elderly customers can shop in-store, we will prioritise one hour every Monday, Wednesday and Friday morning between 9-10am (except in our Express stores) and ask that you respect this.
Tesco store colleagues can't work from home and a good number of them will need to respond to personal or family challenges connected with dealing with COVID-19. So we would please ask that you understand the challenging environment in which we are all working. If you do go in-store and want to say thank you, then I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
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Where we are in central Florida, paper goods and cleaning products are very scarce, but we have plenty of bread, vegetables and fruit. Meat products are still available - intermittently. Yesterday I could buy ground beef, but no chicken. Next grocery run is tomorrow, then we will see.
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Expectation: Anarchy and zombies.
Result: Home office without toilet paper.
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