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Jörgen Andersson wrote: So that's five months of unproductive eating the first year. So the egg laying frequency must basically drop to half after the first productive year for it to make sense to exchange them that early. I'm having some doubts.
That's what they told in this TV series. It might be of some importance that in this one hen house, all the hens were of the same age; they renewed all 7500 hens once a year, killing them all (with CO2) in a single operation. I guess that saves a lot of management, where they do not have to keep track of the age of each individal hen. If they had chosen to keep them longer (but still same age), their delivery volume would not be stable, but gradually decline, and the buyers wouldn't get the expected volume of eggs. Then, suddenly, when you renew the flock, you have more eggs than the customers are prepared to buy. By keeping a steady production volume, customers have a steady supply, and you can be sure to sell what you produce.
You could, of course, set up three separate hen houses of 2500 each, and divide the outdoors area into three separate ones, with fences, and make sure that no hen can ever sneak over to another age group. Then you could have stocks of, say, 7-18, 19-30 and 31-42 months of age. But three henhouses are more expensive than one henhouse (even if they are each much smaller). Taking care of three flocks requires more work that taking care of one. And your total production would go down.
I guess analysts may have differing opinions of the economics of letting the hens live longer, and of age stratification. If you know each hen by name and hacking date, it is probably different from having 7500 hens. And having 50,000 hens in six henhouses, with a dozen people employed, makes age stratification far easier than if you have a family farm where you do all the work yourself. So "Your Medaian-hen-age May Vary", as they say in other businesses...
I've got a lot of old books. This 80 page booklet "Poultry farming at home" from 1905 states that "With rational treatment, a hen will probably not be worth keeping for more than three years, many hens no more than two. We can estimate the life time of a hen to around 30 months." So even back then, they did not recommend keeping the hens very much past their high season!
I'm surprised, I thought the problem with weak legs was in the old times when the hens were caged and couldn't move, but todays hens are free roaming with stronger legs. How old was this program?
They experienced some problems and delays: The Swedish slaughter house didn't satisfy all the requirements of the food chain that was going to sell products, and they didn't find a new one until the first flock of hens had to be killed off in the "traditional" way, to make room for the next generation. It ended up with the Norwegian slaughter house adapting one production line for the next batch, in the fall of 2016. So the filming that started in the fall of 2015 was not completed until the fall of 2016, and the series was put on the air in January 2017.
These hens were most certainly free-roaming! You can see the program host chasing hens in the birch forest and under bushes.
The people at the slaughterhouse told that hens that have been into high intensity egg production often suffer form osteoporosis. My guess is that there are limits to how much calcium a hen can absorb from the food (whether found in the green grass or it comes as fodder). Laying one egg a day drains the hen for so much calcium that its skeleton suffers. In the old days, with half as many eggs or less, the calcium drain was significantly less; this may have been just as significant as giving the hens physical exercize!
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I cheked the NRK archives: The program about the hens is available, with no geographical restrictions, at NRK TV – FBI redder høna[^]. It is all Norwegian (but a Swede will probably understand it).
This is the first in a four-part series; the next parts also adress the demant for "perfect" vegetables, and the burning of goat kids that noone wants.
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Member 7989122 wrote: but a Swede will probably understand it
I can converse with people from Oslo without any greater problems.
But when I was in Alesund I didn't have a clue what anyone said. And if I spoke English with them they took offence.
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Baking Soda is Sodium Bicarbonate. At normal temperatures (i.e., you don't live furnace) it is stable indefinitely. Especially if kept dry and in a sealed container.
However,
Once it is exposed to the air it can (potentially) react with strange and wonderful components in the air. It is, for this reason, used as a refrigerator deodorizer. Even in that case, it would be rare to use more than a tiny bit of it's capacity to do what it's used in baking for: to react with food acids and form CO2
This is not to be confused with "baking powder" - which is a mixture of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), tartaric acid, and other miscellany that a manufacturer may throw in. Upon contact with moisture the tartaric acid reacts with the sodium bicarbonate to release CO2 and thus cause the (baked good?) to rise. Or cork to pop. Or, remembering a toy found in a shredded wheat box when I was about 8 years old, cause the divers and submarines to rise and fall in a glass of water.
So - it really never goes bad if kept sealed up. Same with salt - which may have Potassium Iodide (slightly unstable in oxidizing atmosphere) and other additives to keep it "easy pour". So-called Kosher Salt, aside from its coarseness (useful when used for osmosis) is just plain NaCl.
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Unfortunately, most young grocery store workers have never used baking powder or baking soda for their original purpose — leavening baked goods. I am almost willing to bet that only a few have ever baked bread, cookies or cake from scratch – they always use a prepared mix, if they ever bake at all!
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That is why I will NOT use those services. My wife has used them once or twice but she only ordered some basic stuff.
I would only order stuff that comes in a box. I don't want someone else choosing my produce or meat.
The thought of someone else choosing my food bothers me to my core, my hunter/gatherer caveman core.
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Bread lines. Look it up.
I don't feel too bad for you.
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Don't have too! Been there, done that; 40 years ago.
Never judge someone by thier current circumstances - life changes over time.
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"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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Today I melted an ice cube with my mind by just staring at it.
It took a lot longer than I thought it would!
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
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Did you know that if you wrap wheat in an old shirt and leave it on the barn floor overnight, it will spontaneously generate rats?
I read that somewhere.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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I bet You'd attract more critters if you left bacon out!
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
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I wonder who would win that fight. The rats, cats, dogs, or the army of bugs that would descend on that offering.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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You can do the same with clouds. Single one out and you'll swear it works.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I'd be worried if you did that and subsequently got a brain freeze.
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Probably just for people in the US, where do you go to find a used car? I need to buy my daughter a pickup truck and am looking to spend under $5,000. I checked Craigslist, cars.com, and kbb and cannot find many options.
Just curious if anyone has other sources for finding used cars. Private sell only.
Thanks.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: ...where do you go to find a used car? Used car lot.
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Private sale only. No way am I dealing with a dealer.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Done that many times. When you drive up to their house, you can tell by its appearance how well they probably cared for their car. Today, many people are leasing so the cars wind up at auction and then to car lots.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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You can also try: https://www.edmunds.com/used-cars-for-sale/[^]
I like to go to carmax to be able to shop models without hassle (never bought one there). I probably would have but never found a fit and their prices can be a little high. They are on line also.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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I'll try Edmunds, thanks.
I have used Carmax several times for myself and will always use them. I love Carmax. You can shop from all of their stores across the US and for me, near Atlanta, they will ship just about any car from the Southeast to my store for free for a test drive. I love Carmax. And their prices are the best I have seen.
But Carmax does not sell cars this cheap or old.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Long term lot at the airport.
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A true entrepreneur!
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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I can't break my New Year's resolution already. I've never gone this long.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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The question is incorrectly phrased.
"Where do you drive to find a used car?
But actually, I see them everywhere ...
In any case: Noone should buy their daughter a car without watching Jeff Dunham (the Achmed The Dead Terrorist guy) and his story about when he bought his daughter a car. Unfortunately, I can find only the first half of it on YouTube (Jeff Dunham's Very Special Christmas Special[^]), and the really funny parts are those later on. If you can find someone with the entire show on DVD, or you can pick it up from some steaming service, it certainly worth its time!
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Member 7989122 wrote: Noone should buy their daughter a car
Who's Noone and what's he got to do with this?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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