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I always stayed with my "smart" flip-phone instead of one of those "dumb phones".
My own "smart" phone is smaller and thus easier to carry. And without all the stupid features, which no one really needs, my little phone ensures that I rely on my brain and not someone else's algorithm.
"Dumb phones" seem to have only made our country much dumber than it already was because it allows everyone to create their own little self-deluded bubbles while allowing someone else to think for them.
When someone tells you that they find their "dumb phones" very helpful, simply ask them when was the last time they read a credible military analysis of the US' wars across the globe...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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$499? Wow.
I’m currently using a 2020 Motorola from Consumer Cell that cost $150. An unlocked one from Amazon was $250. (Monthly service is ~$36}
Recently priced a replacement from Amazon that was pretty much the same price.
I have an iPad, but will not get an iPhone. Just not worth it.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events.
- Manly P. Hall
Mark
Just another cog in the wheel
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Most of my friends/family would think I'm a luddite if not for the fact that I'm their go-to guy to fix their computer (and phone).
These days I have a phone--out of necessity, not choice. Some LG thing, Q60 I think - clearly not a top-of-the-line model. I've had it since the start of the year, and it's my dad's old phone (I think it was 2 years old at the time he changed it for a Samsung). Except for importing my contacts, it's pretty much still in the state it was when I got it (and then performed a factory reset). I don't go out of my way seeking out apps, except for MS's Office suite. Things that require 2FA work "well enough" with it.
It's on wifi most of the time; most months my data usage remains at 0.00GB - too low to move the needle. But, that was part of my current home internet bundle.
I have zero intent to change it for anything newer / fancier / shinier.
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Hmmm... over here, Walmart would sell you a 'smart' phone for like $50.
I think they're called tracfones but there are maybe a few different options/brands.
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brb 
Stay tuned
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Umm actually I have been the ludite everywhere I go. I have an old phone I got when my father passed away. It does not talk or text. But I do have the IRobot app on it so I can schedule my robot vacum. If it weren't for that I would not have one at all. The old one on the Kitchen wall with an old tape answering machine still works great. For F2A I have an android emulator I can fire up if needed. But mostly the F2A just calls my phone. I am free !! And no one is tracking me.... peace out.
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My SO found this this morning and thought it worth passing on.
1. Two times a week, we go to a nice restaurant, have a little beverage, good food and companionship. She goes on Tuesdays, I go on Fridays.
2. We also sleep in separate beds. Hers is in California and mine is in Texas.
3. I take my wife everywhere...but she keeps finding her way back.
4. I asked my wife where she wanted to go for our anniversary. "Somewhere I haven't been in a long time!" she said. So I suggested the kitchen.
5. We always hold hands. If I let go, she shops.
6. She has an electric blender, electric toaster and electric bread maker. She said "There are too many gadgets and no place to sit down!" .. So I bought her an electric chair.
7. My wife told me the car wasn't running well because there was water in the carburator. I asked where the car was; she told me "In the lake."
8. She got a mud pack and looked great for two days. Then the mud fell off.
9. She ran after the garbage truck, yelling "Am I too late for the garbage?" .... The driver said "No, jump in!"
10. Remember: Marriage is the number one cause of divorce.
11. I married Miss Right. I just didn't know her first name was Always.
12. I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her.
13. The last fight was my fault though. My wife asked "What's on the TV?" I said "Dust!"
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
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good comedy requires a bit of truth in it so your audience can identify.
i am not sharing this with my wife.  I miss red
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I miss red
Me too.
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.4.0 (Many new features) JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: EventAggregator
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you youngsters out there - how many of you know who Red Skelton is? 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Me, Me. Oh, wait.
He could entertain and keep it SFW.
I don't think I missed any of his movies back in the day.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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I can imagine them reading your subject line and picturing a red skeleton giving marriage advice.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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I was never a big fan of him, but I do miss his wit.
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I don't know this for sure, but I wonder if some of his wit passed on to Robin Williams.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Mike Hankey wrote: 10. Remember: Marriage is the number one cause of divorce.
A large percentage of marriages end up in divorce.
100% of all divorces started with marriage.
That's not wrong, and we all know it.
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In the area we came from, being a military town the rate was/is 50%.
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.4.0 (Many new features) JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: EventAggregator
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so I've never been a fan of stupidity, mine or anyone elses', and Microsoft seems to have staff meetings to escalate theirs.
Enter Apple.
I really don't watch much TV, maybe 1 or 2 football games a year (never soccer) and some ice hockey now and then, but I discovered I can see game re-caps on youtube, so good enough for me. I'm simply not going to pay $75/month for the right to turn off garbage tv. So Spielberg and Hanks FINALLY came out with Masters of the Air which was mostly utter nonsense with the exception of the US Army Airforce crews being slaughtered until the P51 Mustang became available. The German pilots were mean SOBs - no offense intended. So, I subscribed to Apple TV to catch the episodes, and with the last episode, I canceled my subscription. Or so I thought.
Checking credit card statements, they have continued to charge me, and on their web site make it nigh impossible to cancel. Canceled it twice, still being charged. Cannot get anyone to help me - they claim they do, but the charges kept coming. Okay, want to play this game? Created a virtual credit card # with a $1/day max amount, swapped the apple tv <-- this is my mistake here -- to that account #. I also refused the charges on my account. Do you think Apple might contact me? I've had an iPhone for 6+ years, etc. Nope.
My iPhone will no longer allow me access to the app store (all I tried to do was update a free app).
This is why I DESPISE single login. It is 8am on the east coast of America, 6/2/2024. I will now start a gambling pool for when all $hit breaks loose from my wife, older daughter, younger daughter who are all on my account.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Quote: I canceled my subscription. Or so I thought.
1. you can't win
2. you can't break even.
3. you can't get out of the game
So, what's new? 
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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shut up old guy  said from an old guy....
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yup, these days I shake my head a lot.
Now I understand what my grandfather meant when he said something about a hand basket.
(every hundred years, all new people)
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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File a complaint with the FTC.
The "Restore Online Shoppers' Confidence Act" is supposed to make that easy. The FTC is now attempting to put more rules into place to force companies to make it as easy to cancel as it is to sign up.
If feeling snarky you might also send a letter afterwards to them telling them you have filed a complaint.
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I found cancelling the credit card an effective way to remove the leeches but then I don't have 2 daughters attached to the account.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Get the cancellation confirmation in writing and then dispute the charges. Include the cancellation. If the credit card company goes with Apple, just call them and tell them your card was lost and they'll kill the old card number in a heartbeat.
Then go to your local phone company and buy an Android device for everyone.
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yes yes, I know the drill, which is why I love virtual accounts. Boop, they gone. Strongly recommend EVERYONE use them. You have no idea how secure the website is you are shopping on - or home depot for that matter  .
I just find it astounding, irritating and elephanting criminal how companies like Apple bleed people.... assuming these people actually notice. I cite my mid 80s in-laws.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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