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I've learned more. More info to come. Microsoft blows. 4.5 weeks.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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wow, turns out those Microsoft peckerheads have embedded Edge as sort of a default user interface. I've come across postings on support where Edge runs in the background by default. I suspect it is how they push their ad bs to the desktop. So, if your desktop gets hijacked, and you are getting popups demanding you install mcafee, it's because Edge is running in the background. Another example of Microsoft nonsense about security and what not.
I run professional and I f'ing refuse to create a network account so that "all of my devices" are in sync. Hell no. Windows 11 Home makes it hard to do this, Pro is a little better. This weekend's task is to switch SWMBO back to a local account and replace office 365. Doing a quick google search for "how to switch a windows 11 home laptop back to local login" the second result is "Change from a local account to a Microsoft account" 
Consider this a PSA. By the end of the summer, I'll be all unix unless someone tosses me a basket full of cash.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm not sure I'm getting the full picture.
Edge can run as a background task even though you might not have launched it yourself. Ok, given how pervasive browsers are nowadays, I can't say I'm surprised. Even back in 1997, Gates himself was claiming in front of a judge that it was impossible to remove IE from Windows.
Every McAfee ad I've ever seen (and there's been plenty) was hosted on some web page, but I've never seen a standalone ad for it (if that's what you're describing). Or could that system have come with the typical McAfee 60-day trial, after which time it becomes even more of an annoyance. And if that's the case, then that's even worse than some browser-hosted pop-up ad, as this means McAfee has an actual EXE running on that system (and running with full admin rights, as AVs do).
And I'm not sure where a local account vs a Microsoft account comes into play or might fix anything.
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A couple of thoughts, first:
"And I'm not sure where a local account vs a Microsoft account comes into play or might fix anything."
Correct, I was ranting. I don't like Apple syncing everywhere, but I sure as hell don't want MS doing it. Moving on, it's clear to me that there is a mission for MS to integrate - not the browser, not the apps, but the entire the computer into the AI and browser bs. Of course, you agreed to this when your computer force rebooted with the last update.
Pay attention now - because of MS changes, adware can hijack your task bar. Ponder that. MS has canned responses on their support comments saying this is all okay, blah blah blah. Edge now runs in the background without your knowing consent. You can turn it off, but these assholes have not learned anything in the last few decades. Remember, the talking heads gave us forced reboots and BS answers about Windows 11 being more secure. Utter BS.
Decades ago, you could never get a virus from reading email - unless you clicked/downloaded/ran an attachment. Then MS released an update to Outlook Express that "helped users have a more interactive and entertaining environment." Now we're back to this again? Really?
I'd argue that MS as well as an app maker that phones home needs to be held liable, no exceptions. I'll go get my beer and popcorn.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Pay attention now - because of MS changes, adware can hijack your task bar. Ponder that.
Well that's gotta be the key phrase right here. I've used Windows 11 on VMs for 3-4 minutes at a time, here and there, but I don't have a system I use all the time running 11, so I can't speak for what you're describing.
If MS is intentionally letting adware hijack your task bar...then, well, I don't know what "hijacking the taskbar" means (or entails), but it sounds bad.
The syncing, I can live with, and I've found it to be useful in some instances. But so far that's been limited to my browser, and at least I know I get to decide when I'm logging into it, and what profile to use.
Are you really gonna dredge up Outlook Express, which went out of support, what, a decade ago? How are we "back to this again"?
I'm not going out of my way to disagree here, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. Most rants against MS are justified, and very well so. I know I've posted my share...
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I'm pretty sure lots of Windows things used to depend on Internet Explorer. Nothing new under the MS sun.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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they tried this a long long time ago, and the United States Government - that I don't really care for - called BS on it. Years later, we're back to this BS?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Similar to what i mentioned a few days ago.
I get this message 'Edge is using your webcam', this is with Egde not even being opened.
Makes me feel whether Edge is sending these webcam images to some server, for further use as image dataset for AI.
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going to go find my blue tape. I've never seen a message like that but holy f**k batman comes to mind.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Interesting exercise (best on a VM):
Install Chrome/Vivaldi and make it the default browser.
Then open File Explorer and go to: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application and rename msedge.exe (I named it msedge.exe.FO)
See what works and what doesn't. 
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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In July.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Last time I tried something like that (it wasn't Edge but I had the same idea), some Windows monitoring component undid that after a while, if not the next reboot.
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Is it just me or is it time developers stopped adding those annoying GOT IT? popups everywhere. You're trying to use an app you've used a million times. You open it up, start diving in and..
Did you know you can change
the colour of the menu bar
to a slightly lighter shade of
purple!?!
[ Got it ]
And you can't do anything until you click "Got it". And then another pops up telling you that you can announce you can connect your spreadsheets to your social media account, and you can get notifications you don't want. And that they changed the menus to third-person plural.
I don't care, and you're stopping me from using the thing I'm paying for. And none of this is even vaguely important enough to stop me from doing anything until I acknowledge you.
Has anyone implemented these types of announcements, and if so, has there been a case where, in all honesty, it's important enough that someone acknowledges before they can do anything?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Is there a hidden option to have the app not show these "helpful" tips?
/ravi
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Did you know you cannot disable
these annoying Got it popups?
[ Got it ]
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Chris Maunder wrote: you're stopping me from using the thing I'm paying for
I can see a solution.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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We used to call them Tip of the Day. They were as annoying back then as they are now.
And CP may be complicit, as it's hosting at least one article that shows people exactly how to implement this. 
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It is not just you. I've been noticing this on everything from MS products to Adobe lately. Darned annoying "feature."
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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I'm working on a react project that has a component and related components named filter, filter group, etc. They need a complete overhaul and I was told to create a new set of components so that we can slowly implement the new one. Now I'm having the mental dilemma of figuring out what to name these new components. I flat out refuse "NewFilter" or "FilterNew" because you know it's going to have another iteration one day..."Filter2" seems blah. Does everyone else fret over naming things? What would you pick?
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Ha ha...I was looking at thesaurus entries. I was almost considering "sieve" just to be fun.
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Another choice is translate.google.com
Put the component name on the left and go through various languages on the right, you have
filter
in Lithuanian is filtras
in Igbo it's nyo
in Scots Gaelic it's criathradh
now you have the benefit of learning new languages while you program
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Chris Nicolatos wrote: in Lithuanian is filtras
in Igbo it's nyo
in Scots Gaelic it's criathradh
now you have the benefit of learning new languages while you program
What is it they say again about writing software as if the next guy that has to maintain it is a psychopath who knows your home address?
Yeah, that.
I don't see this as being any better than using random 2-character variable names. Or complete gobbledygook.
The smiley at the end of your post probably saved you.
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