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In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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This is almost exactly the same question I asked here in the Lounge about 7 years ago. I was struggling with something and it wasn't working as I expected it to and hence the frustration.
@JeremyFalcon gave a really good response to that question and 7 years later I fully agree with him.
Most of the hate JS gets is from people who are new to it, and probably have an expectation of how it would/should work. When it does not (and not always due to a straight forward reason) it gets frustrating.
Historically JS has been riddled with issues. It still is. But over the years most of the major issues with JS are now avoidable when we use it a certain way.
For example, the global namespace pollution has been a major issue causing countless production bugs which can be avoided with the use of JS modules or IFFEs.
The callback hell can be avoided with the use of asynchronous programming.
As people get more experienced with JS they become more accepting of it's quirks and manage to avoid it's pitfalls while being able to produce robust production ready code.
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I think part of it is lingering feelings from way, way back when when every browser had their own implementations of certain features which meant that building any sort of platform that was going to work cross-browser was a major headache.
I remember adopting MooTools because it offered cross-browser AJAX support, then obviously jQuery when it came along with it's own solutions. These days most JS functions are normalised (ie. the fetch API) but there's a lot of salt in the wounds that can't be cleaned so easily.
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I'm learning it just now, new job needs it. My biggest gripe is lack of typing of variables. I would like to know what kind of value, object, etc I can pass into a function.
Okay, I do like that they are called functions rather than methods. Cut my teeth on C and then Delphi (which had both functions and procedures) but it rankled me for the 10+ years I worked in Java that I had to say method.
Javascript does have something akin to function pointers, which is a nice throwback to C.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: My biggest gripe is lack of typing of variables.
Typescript to the rescue 
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Erm ... JS has both methods and functions - the former operate on object data (as per C#) the later are procedural and don't (as per C)
The difference in name is important because it tells you what you can do with a bit of code - that's why Java insists on method to differentiate it from the more primitive function you were used to in C.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: that's why Java insists on
Tut tut!
Java ≠ JavaScript. 
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- Homer
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Nice resume. Mr Hendrix, but are you experienced?
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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Great motivational speaker... really lit a fire under the team.
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I know, it's a groaner. Jimi fan
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I'm obviously missing something here
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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You guys are a diverse group. You might be able to share
some interesting ideas that I haven't even imagined.
I need help figuring out what to do at this point.
In 2016, I started an experiment. Its purpose was to
sharpen my development skills. I didn't set out to
build anything or accomplish any goal. I just started
experimenting aimlessly. It's 8 years later, and I'm
still working on it. I've put at least 10,000 hours
into this thing.
I'm still not sure what it is, or what purpose it could
serve, but I've inadvertently created a web application.
So, what do I turn this thing into? That's where I need
ideas from you guys.
As of right now, I'm building it into a GUI platform
that allows developers to build and run custom web
applications. Unlimited users can create an unlimited
number of web apps, with unlimited 'desktops', and unlimited
'windows'.
Maybe I can turn it into a development tool for
building online video games. Maybe I could build an online
image editing app. I don't know.
Should I place it on GitHub with an open-source public
license so that everyone can build it into something?
That could be interesting.
What do you think?
I haven't yet created a user accounts system for it, so
right now it's open to everyone. I invite you to mess with
it and see what you can break. You can do what you'd like,
as long as it's not malicious, illegal, or causes harm to
anyone. You can create new 'windows', and add scripts/HTML/CSS
to them if you'd like. If any ideas come to mind, please share
them.
The main link is: https://chromosphere.com
I created a 'main menu editor tool' feature that allows you to create and edit
the main menu for the page. You can mess with it here: Main Menu Editor.
Please keep the profanity to a minimum.
Thanks, guys. 
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I expected Main Menu | Cascade All to cascade the windows but it seems to restore them from a minimized state. I think you may want to rename that action Restore All and implement a true Cascade (and Tile Horizontally and Tile Vertically) command at some point.
None of the other menu items (other than those under Main Menu) appear to do anything (yet).
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I expected Main Menu | Cascade All to cascade the windows but it seems to restore them from a minimized state. I think you may want to rename that action Restore All and implement a true Cascade (and Tile Horizontally and Tile Vertically) command at some point.
I'm not entirely sure about which windows to restore to cascade. For example, if a window is in a maximized state, then it's exempt from the "cascade all" command. Do you think I should include maximized windows in the "restore all"/"cascade all" feature? The windows that are displayed in "tabbed view" are also exempt from the "restore all"/"cascade all" feature as well. It's sort of an ambiguous decision that I had made. I'm making this stuff up as I go.
The other main menu items are set to call "void(0);" upon a click event. You can modify that using the "Main Menu Editor" link. I should point out that this whole thing is in perpetual test mode. I wasn't clear on that in my original post.
Do you have any ideas on what I should do with this massive project? Having put so much work into it, I would like to give it a purpose. What do you think?
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