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I understand the work and time involved, I've done many over the years.
Just be sure you hire someone reputable, at 40% down that's quite a bit up front.
Good luck
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
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charlieg wrote: He says, "for us to get started, 40% down." <- material purchases I understand. That's a hard requirement for me. I once had electrical work done where I purchased all of the supplies. Then I did not have to pay the electrician anything until the job was complete. If he had bailed part way through, I'm not out anything because the supplies would be needed no matter who is doing the work. Paying for labor up front is just a recipe for disaster these days.
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just an update: I don't know squat about cabinets other than they cost big $$. I suppose I could buy them myself.
Charlie Gilley
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We had to replace out stove/oven a couple of years ago, $14k got the one that SWBO desired.
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must have been a hell of a stove, or there was other work involved.
Charlie Gilley
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Nope a 1.2m double oven with teppanyaki plate and 6 gas burners. I'd bitch about it but I get rather well fed from it.
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Or he paid $12K too much.
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"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: SWBO
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ha, I actually had to google that. . I think I'm the one with the stove fetish. I'm so tired of electric stoves having had the luxury of cooking on gas from time to time. I actually had a nice 36" Bosch picked out, 5 stars, etc. But SWMBO has this French country thing, and Pinterest is my nemesis. Found this range from Italy that even I admit is gorgeous.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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good news - SWMBO'd has rescinded her desire for the Italian store (after I told here they were 24-30 weeks out - shipping issue). I'm back to Bosche.
Charlie Gilley
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It could be worse... It could be the bathroom.
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You've got that right!
Repo Man
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I raised a giant family. I'm trying to fix all the damage. Once I pay for the kitchen and the front porch, the master bath is next. Just doing my part to keep the economy moving.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Holy fsck, those prices are outrageous. I mean, I have only Italian stuff (guess why?) and I didn't pay that much. A good hood would cost 1000€ but there are many models below that, and a good gas range will hardly go over 1500 for top quality stuff.
Also, my experience with electric ovens is bad, plus Italian houses have only 3 kW of power available for the whole house (unless paying a disporportinate amount for the new meter and get a whopping 4.5 kW) so they're less than optimal.
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Depends on where the range is, I guess. If it's got to vent outside and it's nowhere near a wall, or the wall is made of prestressed diamond that looks like rock (as ours are) much of the cost could be in getting the exhaust from the hood to the outside world without looking industrial.
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OriginalGriff wrote: If it's got to vent outside and it's nowhere near a wall
I don't know if it's legal in my country, there are some building rules about it (e.g there must be a hole from the wall to the exterior positioned either high or low depending if using methane or propane) and I never saw a stove not near a wall. I should check.
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The range is actually on the inside garage wall. Ideally, I'd love to go to the roof, but remember, straight runs are important. A straight run would take it right through my upstairs hallway. Might impact re-sale value .
Seriously, I think most house architects for basic houses in America had brain-farts like crazy in the 80's. My house was built in 89, and it was a builder's house. No plan at all for proper venting.
So, the plan is to punch through to the garage and run a vent pipe along the ceiling to the exterior wall. Haven't decided if I want to frame and conceal it.
Charlie Gilley
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den2k88 wrote: Italian houses have only 3 kW of power available for the whole house
How much?
Our's is a very old standard 80A meter, so that's about 20kW. 3kW would be exceeded if the shower and oven were on together, never mind any heating!
The modern UK standard is for a 100A meter, so about 25kW. That'll likely increase as electric cars and wall boxes become the new normal.
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Italian house contracts are 16A (about 3.6 kW). Recently they actually reduced the available power with big overprices when consuming ore than 3 or 3.3 kW so we all try to stay below 3.
With electric cars there are some contracts that allow 6 kW but only directed to the EV charging station, not for the whole house, as every EV charging session has to be authorized from the energy company center and is constantly monitored.
There is the possibility of asking a 4.5 kW but it has a massive overprice in monthly fees and additional costs on energy.
So yes, don't use the hairdryer and the washing machine concurrently or the power gets cut, that's the very first thing we learn about domestic appliances.
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Wow. I'm looking at my 300A panels in the garage... I guess I could run a death star or something, but I'm sure it's code related.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Years ago SWMBO decided she wanted a new kitchen.
We too got the Italian stove you described. It was the same cost, more or less.
New cabinets, Granite and marble countertops, plumbing, etc. later, I was in it for $20,000.00, not counting the cost of the stove or the refrigerator, which we already owned.
On the plus side, it was well designed, it looked terrific, and has stayed that way. The Italian stove oven controls failed a couple of years ago, and we have been unable to find anyone to fix it.
On the range hood, do make sure you get one that is vented outside.
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So you have a Hallman range otherwise known as live?
They now have a distributor in the US, and there are maintenance plans available, but I do have a little apprehension of having a beautiful non-functioning range (FIAT - fix it again Tony).
Exterior venting of the range vent is a given and not negotiable. If we cannot solve the problem, we'll just do electric.
It's an interesting experience, and I'm happy to hear the kitchen still looks good. Wife and I have really gotten into cooking, so this is a life time buy for us. It's funny, the supply of houses for sale in the US is at an all time low. I get 2-5 cold calls a week asking me if I want to sell my home. Nooooo. (my wife knows how to shoot, it's not worth it )
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Good luck. My parents did that a few years ago and got hit by a bunch of "the person who built the house was an idiot, and fixing will cost more" (which everyone involved was painfully aware of) scope creeps.
Plan - reality
1) Pull down the old wall paper and paint the plaster underneath - plaster was badly cracked and needed replaced with dry wall. (This one at least was semi-expected.)
2) Pull down drop ceiling and paint what's above - turned out to be 1/4" plywood on hung on 1x2 scraps, needed replaced with dry wall.
3) N/A - start ripping out the plaster only to have the window between the kitchen and mud room fall out of the wall because the idiot just cut a window sized hole and stuffed it in without bothering to frame it in place. Fortunately it fell towards the worker and he caught it instead of having it shatter on his head.
4) N/A - Discover not 1, but 2 live wires floating around in the kitchen ceiling.
PS And that's on top of the stuff they already knew about that would make the job harder like most of the walls being an inch or two out of square because the original owner dumb- ed his home one bit at a time himself as he could afford to built more.
PPS If you really want to blow the cabinet store saleperson's mind, show up not just with basic measurements of the room but ones detailed enough to include how off-square the walls are so they can plan how big of extra offsets are needed to fit gap filling trim pieces in.
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You know, you've just given me a great idea. I'm going to take the cabinet plan down to a big box store and have them quote a high end cabinet order. Kraft Maid comes highly rated - there are others. Just as a sanity check.
Thankfully, my house was built in 89 with some semi non-insane electricians. The walls are sheetrock, so if we need to open them up, it's really inexpensive.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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