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What constitutes your package, other that actual pay, pension, holidays and health care what other options are there?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Distance of commute. 401k. Parking spaces. Working atmosphere.
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Food vouchers
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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Car, parking place, food, drink (unfortunately no alcoholic  )...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Car - no chance
Parking place - got
food - not even a vending machine for that
drink - ok we have free coffee and tea
(and I was thinking more individual rather than company wide, we have a pay freeze and are thinking of ways to get round it)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Food and drink are indeed company wide, but car is a very individual.
I also offered phone but turned it down as the taxation is too high for one do not use phone more than twice a day...
Bonuses (we didn't got nothing in last two years  )?
Gift cards (we getting those twice a year on big holidays)?
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
modified 1-Jul-14 7:42am.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: we have a pay freeze and are thinking of ways to get round it)
You mean like stealing stationary?
This week I learnt that the reason we have a turnstyle into the car park from the offices is because too many people were collecting things from stores and walking them to their car and then home.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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not sure I could get stealing stationary added to my enumeration package, just a feeling they may baulk at it
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: drink (unfortunately no alcoholic
Unless you work in a brewery. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
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Distance of commute: about 3 meters.
Flexible working hours: all of them, unless Herself complains.
Official permission to goof off from the boss of the company.
Simple dress code: whatever I want except when I meet new customers when it has to be smart.
Animals allowed in office. (Not the only place where that has been allowed: one place I worked had a bunch of dogs and there was always time to throw a ball in the orchard for them)
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Animals allowed in office
We have a special room to meet customers...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Animals allowed in office. (Not the only place where that has been allowed: one place I worked had a bunch of dogs colleagues and there was always time to throw a ball in the orchard for at them)
FIFY
at least some of the places I have worked
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Funny you should mention that...the same company had an annual paintball contest and barbeque in the bosses garden between the staff and the customers. It was great for getting a little pay-back for the previous year!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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One of my previous companies was so bad that had they tried this most of the attendee's would have turned up with live rounds
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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One or two of the customers, I was tempted myself!
One of my great pleasures was being able to shoot a certain female customer (who knew nothing about her job) directly in the stomach from about three feet. Bruised? Oh yes...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: One of my great pleasures was being able to shoot a certain female customer (who knew nothing about her job) directly in the stomach from about three feet.
Let's keep it holy now... 
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I'm working from home today and the wife had This Morning on the telly where they were doing a piece on penis enlargement operations ("I was born with 10 inches but I wanted a monster") so thanks to Phil and Holly I now know exactly what constitutes your package, and it is not pleasant.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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We do, or did, have quite a comprehensive package here, some of the companies still do.
Flexible working (start / end times, wfh, flexitime)
Bonuses (personal performance related OR company performance related)
Overtime (not me)
Free gym on site
Bike purchase scheme
PC at home - salary sacrifice
Car lease - salary sacrifice
Company car (not me)
Monthly lottery - salary sacrifice
Health care (various options)
Lifestyle benefits company membership thing
Subsidised on-site nursery
Child care vouchers
Probably other things I've forgotten about
Time off for volunteering
Shell fuel card - takes advantage of corporate discount, what you spend is taken from your salary each month.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Working right next to a nature reserve where I go for my 30 minute lunchtime daily walk.
Working with a great bunch of people.
Travelling against the traffic into and out of work, which only takes 20 minutes.
Get to pretty much decide what and how I do what I do.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Here's what I have:
1. A handsome take home pay
2. Flexi-timings (more or less)
3. Telecommute
4. Provident Fund & Gratuity (equivalent of 401K)
5. Parking space
6. Distance to commute
7. Health and life insurance
8. Food coupons (optional, can opt for cash instead)
9. Bonus (Individual + Company performance)
10. Mediccal, Telephone, Vehicle and Vacation reimbursement.
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So, I use Excel to make all things equal. If something stands out I add or subtract it in order to balance. For example, if the particular position has a terrible commute, negotiate a higher salary. Same for parking expenses. If the position has free, good lunches, subtract it, etc. Then just compare cash apples to cash apples. So often in the negotiation phase I am presented with the Statement, well you have to consider our great benefits ... I did, and they were lacking. Excel is King.
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Price off on Public transport comute ticket (If you want it)
Parking place at reasonable rent (10 Francs/ month)
Working outside of town, so coumuting against traffic
Some extra cash for lunch
Some others I forgot..
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Fully covered medical
13% yearly contribution to 401k, not matching
yearly bonus
4 weeks vacation
standard US holidays plus a week at Christmas
Fitness club membership
Treadmill desk, and extremely nice offices
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Talking about our packages is non-KSS.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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