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Romancing the Phone[^]???
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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We are the united states government, we dont do that sort of thing.
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Probably both and your honesty. I think it is a valid question, but I would ask them to define a 10 level skills. Rating against a senior dev is very different to rating against a guru.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Quote: but I would ask them to define a 10 level skills
What do you mean 10 Level Skills ?
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You would need to know if your are supposed rate yourself against what YOU perceive as senior developers knowledge or against someone like Charles_Petzold[^].
Without context the question is meaningless. Example, I would rate myself as 9-10 as a LOB developer but against Petzold it would be SUBSTANTIALLY lower
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: but against Petzold it would be SUBSTANTIALLY lower They asked him about SQL, ASP.NET and C# not publishing...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Petzold is an author of technical books not a publisher. As with any tech author his knowledge has to be way deeper than I need or use.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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And publishing those book 2 a year for the last 30 years and about 5 articles a day, so probably his knowledge is very academic...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: so probably his knowledge is very academic Sure but I could just as easily used Sacha Barber, POH, Marc Clifton or any of the prolific authors here on CP to make my point.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Now, those are real man to compare to!!!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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No, his knowledge is very practical, and his books come full of examples that work. If you want proof, then read any book he has written.
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Maybe we see differently the 'practical' part...
I've read a lot of books of him, and have learned a lot too, my point is that Charles Petzold can not be a baseline for practical knowledge. He has a much wilder knowledge, but i doubt that he ever had the time to actually implement it on a real application...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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What does that matter? His books are still excellent practical guides to programming.
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No doubt! But the whole conversation started if it is a good point to compare someone knowledge to Petzold's...or better pick up someone like Marc, you or other CPians...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: his knowledge is very practical ... read any book he has written
I've read two: "Code" and "The Annotated Turing". Now, what's that about "practical"?
But seriously, I agree with you. And I need to read more of his stuff.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Rating against a senior dev is very different to rating against a guru.
I have never met a guru. I have met plenty of people who thought they were gurus, but never met an actual guru.
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King Fisher wrote: checking my their confident level or technical skill?
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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In many cases an interview question is asked, not to elicit a simple answer but rather to gain an insight into the candidate's problem solving process.
For example if you just say "8" without qualification or further discussion they might conclude that you are not analytical or investigative enough.
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When I was interviewing I would always ask this for the technologies required - and hopefully elicit some discussion;
For example, I asked it of a junior candidate for a job, about SQL - he answered "9 or 10" - so , I asked for him to confirm there was nothing about SQL he didn't know. He started talking about how he hadn't really used UDFs - and went on to talk about what he had done - as he continued to adjust his score down, and describe his level of knowledge, I gleaned enough information for me to be confident that he did know his limitations, and for me to know what they were.
It is a good, simple way of assessing someones knowledge by engaging them in conversation rather than asking lots of tedious questions.
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With the availability of google, skill level is almost a moot point. I've found you have to be a better searcher most of the time.
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