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Nope. Facing tough (for me) problems I think about it, read about it, think some more and tinker with toy problems and solutions until I approach some result. When I ask for help I try to be very specific or ask pointers to documentation.
This is what a developer or engineer should do. Many students don't have this aptitude, proving that they simply chose the wrong faculty - engineering is about solving problems, possibily problems noone ever solved (if you're lucky enough). Solving problems requires thinking, not asking - that is the way of the schools, when you don't know something you ask the teacher... Not the way of someone trying to work out a solution.
Geek code v 3.12
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++*
Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: Nope I said all of us have been at the point where we didn't know how to code. That IS true.
I agree with most of what you said. A great way to learn is to work through the problem on your own, kind of like lifting weights. It builds you up. But there is nothing wrong with asking a question. In fact a good developer knows at what point they have spent too much time looking for a solution and now should ask someone.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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No, I was NEVER there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No, I was NEVER there. Ah, someone who was born knowing it all. I'm humbled to be in your ether presence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It's about time you learned some respect (I hope you genuflected as well).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Of course, but I (and I suspect most others over the age of 40) learned the basics before we started trying to write code.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: Of course, but I (and I suspect most others over the age of 40) learned the basics before we started trying to write code. Back before the "I must have it now!" days.
There's no patience today.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Back before the "I must have it now!" days. Not much choice when there was no internet. You could always ask a colleague, but the usual answer was, "I'm not your f***ing mother!".
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: but the usual answer was, "I'm not your f***ing mother!".
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
I know, right?! From Richard, no less. Scandalous, I tell you.
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I get along fine on my own but if I had coworkers with that attitude, I think I'd deck them.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: have received very poor teaching, which seems more likely
This is not their mistake, isn't it? Some people are just plain unlucky to get a bad teacher. That's why, IMHO, they need help. Perhaps, a simple nudge may suffice.
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I'm happy to give a simple nudge, but I still expect the questioner to say something more than "please provide solution", which question is all too common.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: "please provide solution"
You've just summed up the majority of the QA section on CP
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Rohan Leuva wrote: help me screw it some more?
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Who cares.... you don't like it, just leave it as-is... go to another question or ignore it.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: you don't like it, just leave it as-is... go to another question or ignore it
Yes, we are doing this over and over again and as a result you can see beauty of QA now a days.
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly"- SoMad
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Rohan Leuva wrote: Yes, we are doing this over and over again and as a result you can see beauty of QA now a days.
QA is completely worthless as it is at the moment - either needs cleaning up or shutting down
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Well, Rohan-ji, who did you expect to show up ?
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necessary to make a feature happen. They all cost huge amounts of time, effort and money.» Eric Lippert, Microsoft, 2009
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As there seems to be a discussion as to why sport is so important. Simon Barnes, an amazing writer formally of The Times, explains it a lot better than I could.
Sport actually matters, because in the end it doesn't really matter at all.
Quote: So, what’s sport all about then? What is it for? Why do we do it? What does it mean? I’ve been trying out various answers of the 32 years I’ve been writing for this newspaper, and I think it’s only right to leave you with just one more. So let’s take two games of father-son cricket.
I always think of Mike Atherton when I play cricket in the garden. His son Josh is, not unexpectedly, a promising cricketer. Athers has talked about the parental questions he must answer: the need to walk the line between indifference and pushiness, always supporting, never forcing.
I have never seen them at their net sessions down at the local cricket club, but I have imagined the scene many times: the action purposeful, direct, skilled, graceful. Glorious to watch because dealing with the moving ball really is the most natural act for them both. Doing something well, aware that you are doing it well and in Josh’s case reveling in the joys and frustrations of getting better. Fun, for sure, but not without its serious side. It’s a beautiful thought.
Eddie, my younger son, is a couple of years older than Josh, and he, too, has a taste for cricket. He has Down’s Syndrome, as some readers may know. Our games of cricket are not purposeful or graceful. Eddie bowls. He hasn’t tried batting: perhaps he suspects the co-ordination required to hit a moving ball is beyond him.
I’m not sure he’s got the idea that he’s suppose to try and hit the three tall blue plastic stumps, although I explain the idea to him several times a session. The concept doesn’t really interest him. He just likes to hurl the ball in my general direction and observe the consequences. He bowls right-handed underarm moon balls, a bit like the Conan Doyle story of Spedegue’s Dropper.
And I deal with them as best I can. I was never the most naturally gifted batsmen in me Tewin Irregulars days, so I am not teaching him great cricket by example. Sometimes – quite often – he bowls the ball direct to the mid-wicket boundary, which is the house, sometimes out to cover and the garden fence, I try and retrieve these with one-handed tennis strokes. Sometimes he’ll field energetically at other times he’ll watch the ball settle into a flowerbed and contemplate it for a while.
Our games are faintly surreal. The competitive element has been almost entirely phased out. So has the skill element. Just about everything that you normally find in sport has been refined out of existence, and yet we continue to play and to gain great pleasure from it. And here comes another skier, hurrying down from its apex; it’s actually straight this time, so I play a theatrical miss and let it hit the stumps. Well bowled, sir! Well bowled indeed! And now perhaps it’s time for your bath.
Cricket, but not as the world knows it. What’s the point? You might as well ask the point of Eddie. The point is that we’re playing, the point is that we’re doing it together, and trying, in our way, to do it well.
Sport joins people up. It’s about contact: between people the same age, between generations, between genders. You need other people for sport, you need other people for life. Sport is one of the ways we can fulfill our human, our animal need for others; to do things together, to share things. It’s deeper than mere words but not as committed as an embrace. Sport begins like this: in the need to have some kind of meaningful but largely non-verbal exchange with another.
Sport moves on from this to be many other things, sometimes complex and disturbing, sometimes beautiful, sublime, inspiring, humbling, and joyous. Sport is many things and sometimes feels like all things. But sport starts with sharing. The sporting impulse begins in our dread of isolation, in our soul-deep need for contact.
I’m going to get Eddie to try batting. I’m sure I could bowl hittable balls to him. Must try it. Pushy parent, eh?
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The article is sentimentalist claptrap, and the author is making capital on his son's disability.
Despite the earlier thread and the above statement, I'm not anti-sport, I'm against the near hagiographic view people have of modern professional football. I've enjoyed the odd match of Rugby, cricket seems to have sense of fair play about it. Even kids having a knockabout game of footie is a good thing.
As for the idea that sport "brings people together" - this is a double edged swords as anyone sensible person who has been near a Tyne/Wear derby tribalism would attest. Not only that, but sport isn't the only thing that can bring people together.
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Keith Barrow wrote: The article is sentimentalist claptrap, and the author is making capital on his son's disability.
Disagree. I was reading this guys columns for years before I even heard him mention his disabled son. This is just one of many articles and even a book about why sport matters this guy has wrote, perhaps it's because I've read most of them that I understand his wider point, which is.
"Sport really matters, because in the end it doesn't matter at all"
Wish I could find an article he wrote about the Paralympics.
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I agree, sport is a necessity in socialization and also for recreation. Sitting in front of a computer at least 8 hours a day during the week I need to move when I can. Also yes sport does bring people together. So do movements of any kind, sub-cultures any kind of sharing of the same ideals.
But many times country officials put too many resources into sports and neglect health care or school systems for example. Both of those are not exactly abysmal, but not all that good in Slovenia. But we did have to build a new sports centre a few years ago. Not to mention all the people who lost their money, because the government couldn't pay for all the work they had done.
On the other hand when I was going to elementary and high school, I made a lot of friends playing basketball and we still play every now and then.
I am not trying to diminish the importance of Sport, but you have to look at the whole picture. The activity itself is very necessary. Professional sport takes it overboard a lot of times. Not saying it's the fault in the sport alone, but with us the people.
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