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The Pentateuch does have quite a few cases where the sins of the fathers are visited on the sons, which contrasts with some other religions' view that each person starts with an empty slate. Still other religions (those that believe in reincarnation) believe that children do not start with an empty slate, but that the burden of 'sin' is still personal.
As a Jew, I must say that the first makes more sense to me. Judaism can only be fully practiced in a community, and therefore the obligations and agreements of the community, for good and for bad, get passed on to the new members. This does not mean that a child is personally liable for the sins of his forefathers, but does mean that the next generation is liable for the failings of the previous generation.
Compare and contrast with the modern idea of a nation. Later generations of a nation certainly are bound by the agreements made by earlier generations.
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That makes sense to me. How I've looked at the sins of the father dynamics is that because they *are* visited on the sons it makes the original sin that much worse.
See, I don't look at it primarily as a moral treatise, but as ancient sociology and a blueprint for how we operate as human beings, and from what I've seen the stories from which the mitzvot are derived are quite good predictive of human behavior, and that's what really caught me about The Torah and the old testament that is copied from it.
I've never discussed any of this with any rabbis as I have not really had access to a synagogue for the past few years, so I haven't had anyone I would trust with this stuff to bounce it off.
It all came to me through study and and yes, psychosis but even in that latter case, some of it stayed with me.
I've been endlessly fascinated with it since. I am not religious but I seriously considered converting.
I haven't for reasons which I won't get into on this forum. I'm trying to keep this about the texts and not about my personal feelings around faith and such but it's really hard to separate them in this arena.
I hope none of this offended anyone. I'm just being real with you, dear readers.
I probably could have a long and I would hope interesting discussion with you about (well at least me read of) The Torah and the old testament and this sort of tribalistic bent in scripture which i think can be extended to the idea of nation states but it wouldn't be something I'd really want to explore on this forum. Generational sin definitely enters into it and some of those prior agreements that were made are still burdening us.
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No, this definitely is not the place for a discussion about religion.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Excellent! I have two. I think I won three but I gave them the wrong address once.
I love this site's contests.
Congratulations!
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OriginalGriff wrote: everyone I had to sleep with
don't forget the sheep...
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Just check the pictures in his wallet . . .
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I am envious... I have none, and I don't think I will ever get one.
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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When I am about to die, do I see a Silverlight at the end of the tunnel?
Or is it just the other way around?
Actually triggered by the fact that our servers must support stuff that even Microsoft wants to forget.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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There is a Silverlight at the end of the tunnel only if it's an oncoming Microsoft Train Simulator.
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No, you see a Flash animation start, and then a message: "Your app is no longer supported," and then the blue-screen of death.
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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We'll probably never know: Covid vaccine maker AstraZeneca 'targeted by North Korean hackers'[^]
I'd like to think the former, but I suspect the latter given North Korea's record in cyber attacks.
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Metro doesn't like my ad-blocker and I don't feel like hacking the page.
But what I really wanted to add, along a similar vein, is that I heard some news item about the US Cyber group sending out some warning shots into Russia and other places, before the election.
The Kim Kingdom, however, is so tightly shut that back-doors that are available nearly everyplace else aren't available.
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There's no doubt Kim Jong-Un is bat-sh!t crazy, (although, no more so than other Presidents!), but I would have put AstraZeneca's competitors higher on the list of suspects. There has to be big bucks in this.
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Anybody / anything in the news becomes a target for everybody else. Win something. Publish something. Wear something. Say something. etc.
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"Microwave Safe" - so it says on the package. Possibly even indelibly stamped onto the bottom of the cup before firing so it's forever in the cup's lifetime.
And the damn handle gets so hot you cannot remove the cup from the microwave oven without an oven mitt. Now this is done, as so many of you have experienced, with the vessel filled with water ( something just about all water - it is a mug, after all). Water really sucks up microwaves - that's how the whole concept was designed. The cup shouldn't - certainly not when so much water is present. I just got reminded with a 45 sec reheat from room-temperature. This was not thermal conduction from the water to the container.
There's just something wrong with this claim "microwave safe". Plain glass is pretty good on this account but ceramics, which are the material-of-choice for properly sized coffee mugs - are hit-and-miss.
They should make it required to label items that themselves get hot as "microwave tolerant", putting the safety of the user ahead of that of the cup. Yes. A new regulation. But sometimes something has to be done.
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The same with plates. How come my plate comes out of the microwave too hot to pick up and the food is only just warm?
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My microwave is like "here's that cold food in the hot bowl you wanted."
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I don't, for several reasons:
1) I don't use ceramic coffee mugs: it's a double walled vacuum mug in stainless steel. Keeps coffee warm and drinkable for ages. It's probably not marked as "microwave safe" for good reasons, but it's also full of coffee so I'm not turning it upside down to find out!
2) I don't heat water in a microwave. Or anything else, pretty much (I do soften butter in it). It's main function in our home is as a "Cat Safe": he can't get at food inside so it can cool without being eaten ...
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I have a stainless steel mug my daughter bought me during her days as a Starbucks Barista. When I used to go into work it was the last mug I needed for, as you well know, they don't break easily. Not particularly vacuum insulated.
I don't heat water in the microwave very often (easier via several other options). I do reheat in it. Just like leftovers - although coffee gets good care to retain the flavor.
Cast Safe. That can be thought of in two way.
1 - you can limit yourself by protecting things in the microwave from cat intrusions. Only what you can fit.
2 - You can put the cat in it, instead, and everything elsewhere is safe.
Actually . . . . . maybe you should rethink your approach . . . .
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It's bad enough getting him into a cat basket for a visit to the vet, I'd lose fingers trying to cram him in the Cat Safe!
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OriginalGriff wrote: t's main function in our home is as a "Cat Safe": he can't get at food inside so it can cool without being eaten ... Similar thing in our house, except ours is Greyhound safe. The female's not too bad, but the male can pick food off the counter without coming off his front feet.
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's main function in our home is as a "Cat Safe": he can't get at food inside so it can cool without being eaten ...
Put the cat inside the microwave, then you can leave food anywhere in the kitchen.
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If I put the cat in the microwave, Herself will ensure I leave the house.
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Oh, c'mon...think of it as a little house for the cat. On a rotating platform, so he doesn't get bored of always getting the same view. And all the heating he can handle.
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