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Member 7989122 wrote: Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level
Member 7989122 wrote: Lots of software take for granted that the full stop is a decimal separator and the comma is the thousands separator This is so true!
I agree with you though, Americans seem very ignorant of the rest of the world.
Not all, of course, but probably a good majority.
Anyway, you seem new here, so let me tell you this.
Don't bother "discussing" with ZurdoDev, he's a stereotype American (every non-American knows what that means) in all his (Christian) values and morals (of which he always has the high ground) and a troll if ever there was one.
In fact, he might well be the personification of all your points
He already concluded I'm a bad child killing maniac because I'm pro-abortion.
Those were pretty much his exact words, it wasn't flattering.
I've been ignoring him since then.
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The simplest example is news on television, whether or not they lean to the left or right side is not even relevant.
In the US they have one thing in common: whenever there is a news broadcast it is almost 100% local (USA) news. If anything important happens anywhere else it is barely mentioned and if so very briefly.
When you are used to news broadcasts in Europe which generally spend almost 50% of the time on reporting stuff happening somewhere outside of their own country or outside of Europe the difference is staggering.
The result is that the average European has a pretty good idea where the USA is, where, for example, Texas and California are within it and where a good number of countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia are.
I am sad to having to say it but personal experience tells me that that is rarely the case for the average US citizen.
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fd9750 wrote: it is almost 100% local (USA) news It's a big country.
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Yeah, it has slightly below 5% of the world's population. Why would USA care about the other 95%?
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Member 7989122 wrote: . Why would USA care about the other 95%? For starters, because you all have an incorrect view of the US.
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Oh, we fully understand that USA sees the entire world as a market for Coke and Levis and American movies and TV shows; we are not immaterial to USA in that sense.
And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground.
We could list several other areas where the US certainly knows how to make use of other parts of the world. The problem is the way it is done.
When a country experiences US actions as an exploitation, you may of course say that they "have an incorrect view of the US"; they haven't understood that the Americans are really nice guys who comes to free up the country for the country's benefit. They just want to give the population what the population is craving for, such as coke, hamburers and American TV shows. If only those people could understand what benefit it would be themselves if they only adapt The American Way (*), they would wish the B52s and army soldiers welcome, and bow to their demands.
(*) I've got the first Superman movie in my DVD shelf for one single line: When Superman declares that "I am going to figth for peace, justice and The American Way". Way back in my student days I was at the Norwegian premiere, in a packed 2500 seat movie theather. When this line was said, the entire audience broke out in a roar of laughter, followed by a intense and lengthy applause and heavy foot stomping, so noone could hear the following three or four lines.
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Member 7989122 wrote: And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground. Protecting other countries is having a playground?
I agree, we should get out of the world babysitting business. See how many countries do fine without us. My taxes could go way down.
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ZurdoDev wrote: I agree, we should get out of the world babysitting business. Please do work for this! There are so many countries around the world that would be grateful!
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Member 7989122 wrote: There are so many countries around the world that would be grateful! such as?
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ZurdoDev wrote: For starters, because you all have an incorrect view of the US Well, we certainly seem to have a different view of the US. But that's the thing; the view of pretty much anything is different from inside when compared to the view from outside. But that does not make either view "incorrect"; just "different".
ZurdoDev wrote: And you say that you have higher values than the US but are OK with kids running around naked I don't think he did say he had "higher" values. Again, the values are different, not higher or lower. When it comes to morals, there is no such thing as absolutes; you can only ever judge by comparing to your own morals, and virtually by definition no-one is going to have higher morals than oneself.
But this is a common (in my experience) thing with Americans; whereas pretty much everyone else can acknowledge that whilst there may be differences between cultures, they are just that; Americans tend to judge those differences and/or discard different views as being inconsequential. There is an absolute self-centredness that marginalises or dismisses as inferior everything non-American. (Oh, and if you read "self-centredness" and thought I'd made a spelling mistake, that is proof of my assertion! )
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Ya'll need to get educated and culturized more.
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"Culturized" - are you using that as a synonym to "Americanized"?
Someone (I don't remember who) referred to USA as the only society that went directly from barbarism to decadence without passing through the culture stage. I am not one who fully support that statement, yet I can easily recognize the grounds for making it.
We might respect the US of A for many different reasons. "Culture" is not prominent among those. Maybe in a few very narrow, restricted areas, but not in the general sense. In some areas, the US of A has commercialized a lot of culture that originated outside the US of A.
There is some original American culture, but a major part of that is definitely not in any way WASP-based. Historically, it is the culture of e.g. the slaves, the "afro-american" culture. Or the Latin culture from the south that will now the stopped by a 1000+ miles long wall. One major music style is genuinely American: CW (that is, both of them, both Country and Western), but USAnians would probably be surprised by how inessential original American CW is in the rest of the world. It may have given inspiration to artist all over, but they have often created their own style that might be far away from the sources of inspiration.
It is not that the WASP USA is completely void of culture. But the outside world never considers WASP USA to be any sort of "cultural beacon" - except in the sense of the culture of commercialism. If marketing of coke and McDonalds hamburgers is culture: Sure enough. It makes the world adopt "The American Way". Anthropologists may refer to it as a cultural artifact, but few cultural workers consider coke and hamburgers to be Culture, in the capital C way.
Artist from outside the US of A come to the US of A to make money. And to meet other artists from all over the world, and pick up inspiration from them. Not because they represent any sort of US WASP culture, but because of their original, non-US culture, and to some degree their US but non-WASP culture.
Culturally speaking, WASP USA is just another country, and a rather significant one. If you look at WASP culture, keeping afroamerican and latin culture to the side, the result is really not very impressing, considering that the nation has 330 million inhabitants. In terms of dollars: Of course. In terms of real cultural value: Not quite that much.
Honestly: Even if I strive for education and culturization, it is not in the Superman sense of "Peace, Justice and The American Way".
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fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all.
Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
Like getting utterly confused when they are told "no, nobody outside of the USA is celebrating the 4th of July", or Thanksgiving Day. Or that "Cinco De Mayo" is not the Mexican independence day.
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There are ignorant people everywhere. Unfortunately, the US does not have a monopoly on ignorant people.
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Read the junk posted in Facebook from the Americans
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James Lonero wrote: the junk posted in Facebook f Not if my life depended on it.
But you prove my point. You're basing your opinion of America based on what you see in social media. Not a smart move.
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Your're right. Some years ago a colleague and I were in a cab from JFK to downtown New York.
After some time the driver says, "Where you guys from?", to which my colleague answers, "We're from Australia".
After a long pause... "Is that down south somewhere?"
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"...What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies."
And which one that is OK is subject to change (and does) at any time and only with notice from Twitter. Lol
I have found parts of europe like Belgium, Netherlands, even Denmark sometimes use English better than many Americans. Though I suppose that is more due to the proximity to the UK than any US influence.
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And also better than a lot of British people. The quality of diction and knowledge of word meanings is getting worse here (I mean in the UK, not CodeProject).
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I was working with a Norwegian lady who had for thirty years been working in France for a high prestige US company. The team also included a guy who had a Scottish mother, and had spent most of his childhood vacations in an English speaking environment.
Robert once commented that you could easily hear that Ellen is not a native English speaker: Her language is perfect. Flawless. It is rehearsed - she never make those "natural" mistake that a native speaker easily makes - call it out of sloppiness, if you like. Noone speaks their mothers tounge perfectly correct, after having grown up in a society with children who haven't yet learned, dialect speaker that do not respect the official norm, etc. This will affect your own speech. To consistently speak/write a lanugage perfectly, you cannot build on such disturbing elements but must learn the language tabula rasa.
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Strange how a guy who developed real estate all over the world would not know more than 3 countries and even told you so.
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Member 12924312 wrote: Strange how a guy who developed real estate all over the world would not know more than 3 countries and even told you so. He hired people to know them for him. And hired local people at target country to do that for him.
I am not saying he doesn't know, but he doesn't necessarily have to know them to have that empire.
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OK, I can easily understand your frustration.
Yet, at system level, MS has been way ahead of the major competitors with regard to internationalization, all since Windows 1.0: If you accept to call Win 1.0 an "OS" (it was more so than DOS, even in version one!), it probably was the first OS to use as their core OS character set one that coveres the majority of the European languages: ISO 8859-1. MS was also very early to provide alternatives using other 8859-? variants outside Europe/America, with high quality translations of the user interface components.
Surely, in 16-bit Windows, i.e. up to Win98, system components were not language flexible. If my memory is correct, Charles Petzold (The Windows programming tutor!) provided detail instructions on how to dynamically link DLLs into your application according to the user's language preference. I never programmed Win1.x myself, but I did program multi-language application under Win 2.11. Since then, fully internationalized applications have been readily available. The programming methods described are in every serious textbook on Windows programming. No application developer is forced to provide DLLs for Sami and Greek, but it all depends on the developer - the required mechanisms have been available for thirty years.
Handling everything from simple 26-letter English to many-thousand ideographs Asian languages in a single application requires Win32, using UTF16 as its native character set. Win NT is 26 years old. Which other OSes had core support for UTF16 at at that time? When MS started shipping an Arial Unicode TrueType font with their OS, it certainly didn't include all characters, but all those required for plain text in the majority of the languages of the world. How many years did it take for the competiors to follow?
Oldboys remember the document format wars between ODF (Open Document Format) and MS' OOXML about fifteen years ago. One serious critisism of OOXML was that it was too complex: Certainly, a share of its features had no value for Western languages, they were tailored to Asaian ideogram based languages. Strong voices in the "open" world fiercely opposed such complexity, as it would raise the required resources for implementing full format support, which would be in disfavor of that "everyone can make his own free and open implementation" idea.
Essentially, MS has been a strong supporter for full internationalization, providing basic mechanisms and programming guidance at a significantly higher level than most of their competitors. The failures are on the application developers.
MS has its share of application developers. Some MS application projects certainly take internationalization seriously, such as the MS Office guys. But, as Sanders tell: Others, not so much.
If that OAuth solution were provided by some third party vendor, we would have shrugged: Well, find another package, then! (If this had been a *nix system, we would know that even shrugging would be a waste of energy.)
For third party vendors, you definitely cannot expect that they have prepared for Japanese and Korean and Thai languages. For open source software, you can't even expect support for Western cultures - a free TrueType font rarely includes æøå, ñ, õ etc. Lots of UI software can't handle non-US mail address formats, or phone number formats. They insist on AM/PM times, month-date-year dates, full stop as decimal separator, and a set definition of e.g. the first day of the week. Windows does provide information about user preferences and generalized data formats that can be adapted at presentation time, but developers find it too resource demanding to use these facilites.
Of course application developers employed by MS should always spend any resources required to fulfill absolutely all internationalization ideals. Ideally, VS 2019 should have a menu option to switch the entire user interface into Mandarin, using ideographs both in menus, error messages and help information, including guidance on how to get back to something that makes sense to you Unfortunately, it seems as if not every MS project has been alotted the resource to do so.
In Sander's case, I tend to agree with him: The project should have provided better internationalization support. If he had found that package on GitHub, I would have said: Well, that's what OpenSource is for - implement it yourself and give it back to the community!
We expect more from MS than from others. Maybe it is right to expect more. But if you make a checklist for evaluating internationalization provisions by different alternatives, and the MS score is significantly poorer than for the alternatives, then I know that I see a score card tailor made for overlooking the provisions of Windows, and excessively promoting rather insignificant details of the alternative. If I, as an application developer, really want to provide full international support, I know very well that my task is a lot easier under Windows than on several other common platforms.
But if I really don't care, then I also know that my ignorance is far more accepted on several other common platforms. On Windows, you are to a much higher degree, expected to provide internationalization than on alternate platforms. Honestly: I am happy with that!
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Had seen an application (long back, Win 95/98 days), when localization / internationalization was still new.
It was an MFC application, where String Resources were used, which were switched based on the locale (English and Japanese). Except that for the message boxes, the Japanese strings were empty (in Version 1). So, whenever a message box popped up in Japanese locale, there would be no message, just OK and Cancel buttons. The user would not know what he was doing
Of course, this was later rectified, but it was fun to see empty message boxes in the first version.
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