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Hey fellow CP'ians,
me and my collegue are currently getting overwehelmed by a bad style of coding by our boss. Therefore i said whe should send him on a training course, but since i am also interested in progressing forward (e.g. learning new patterns and standards) we both thought it would be good if we also visit such a training.
My first question about, hows your opinion about such things, do you go to trainings to improve your self or do you just learn by trying and failing and finally succeeding? And where do you get your information if you are doing it by yourself?
Second is, does anybody know how to find such trainigs? (Would be awesome if some of our german cp'ians would know anything) Cause i googled, but im not satisfied with the results as patterns i wanted to learn and also c# seems not be a big thing?
Any suggestions how to approach that? And also how to tell my boss he can't code? 
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I'm sure it would help if you disclosed exactly WHAT type of programming the two of you need training in... 
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I see, well actually from our side it's more like getting into new standards, maybe learning the deep tricks of Visual Studio, getting a hand on Design Patterns and ways how to approach to and design a software.
The thing is i can't specify it very precisely. I am quite fresh from university, so i have a huge load of ideas and know some stuff but actually i have no idea how to properly implement an observer. How to design my software even more sustainable and with better performance (i tried threading but i am not pleased with the outcome).
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That's a good hint i couldn't think of my self, thanks 
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I see, more general programming than merely C# for beginners, that is...
But even the more general topics still partly depends on what technologies you work with, eg Visual Studio, Web programming (be it WebForms or MVC) or Desktop programming (be it WinForms or WPF)...
The technologies and frameworks you use in a given situation differ, and even design patters.
So at least a basic knowledge about what type of programming you do could really help recommending intersting courses
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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modified 20-Apr-16 6:24am.
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Well basic courses in programming are of no value to us, we can code, we were thinking about improving it.
Mainly the focus lies on C# and MSSQL, maybe we'll get in some REST and Json stuff but that's a small percentage.
WPF would be good, i currently fear working with cause i don'T know enough about it. So mainly we use WinForms or console apps for shedule tasks. And of course Visual Studio
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The learning curve for WPF is steep, so if you contemplate working with it, it could certainly be a good idea to do a course on it.
And I understand you fear - I tend to do the same, actually... 
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Two of my colleagues have been to the OOP conference in Munich this year. It,s quite expensive an takes place once a year (end of January, begin of February?) in Munich. According to them it's worth visiting.
Another event is the SoCraTes in Soltau, end of August. This is said to be interesting as well (no personal experience, just hearsay)
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Thanks, i'll get my hands on that. Sounds promising
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You're welcome. If I find other information on conferences etc. (I'm looking for such a thing myself), I'll write a message to you.
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Just read up this one first - Grady Booch - OOAD[^]
Getting into C# or any other OO Language without understanding OOAD is like going for snorkeling in the pacific ocean. You're really not going to get to the depths. You'll end up using C# as a RAD tool like VB.
Design Patters- I feel, once you are strong with OOAD, patterns would naturally knock your doors. You just strive to do something best with OOAD, you'll find that it's called some X-pattern on the books. Then you can go ahead and read a lot of useless cosmetic patters for your interviews & Code obfuscation sake  (just joking)
People getting into Design patterns straight came back like public void UnderstandDesignPatters();  So first thing - OOAD!
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I'm not 100% sure but i guess i am already on the path where patterns knock on my door 
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And one from the Lounge![^] This mate has written well about using C# as an OO Language. And its' FREE! It's put in simple language. For sure this would be useful for you. Keep it in your ToDo list. And may be send your boss a copy.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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HobbyProggy wrote: My first question about, hows your opinion about such things, do you go to trainings to improve your self or do you just learn by trying and failing and finally succeeding?
I went to several; anyone offering a training to me will first have to prove that the training is worth more than a book.
HobbyProggy wrote: Any suggestions how to approach that?
Focus on the value it may add; you'd be writing in a more similar style, and it would be easier to work with each others' code. Would be good for the team, and the company, if each of you had the same minimal certification.
HobbyProggy wrote: And also how to tell my boss he can't code?
If you don't need the job then you could be blunt. Otherwise, I suggest you point out that "everyone" could improve from such a training without going into much detail.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I prefer the REPL process:
Read a book
Evaluate what I learned
Program an example of what I learned
Loop, with the next item to learn
Sander's[^] book looks actually really good.
Marc
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That's sheer wisdom!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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On the job training and self taught (Youtube, tech sites and forums, books, etc.).
I have heard tech conferences are good if you approach it purely for learning and not socializing and if your company/you have the money for travel, lodging, food, and conference - $$$$$.
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HobbyProggy wrote: Would be awesome if some of our german cp'ians would know anything
Will German language be a barrier? In most of the cases in Germany, the training will be in local language only, only in few exceptions it would be in English.
cheers,
Super
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German would be the preferred language 
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Try this Design Patterns Training Course | NobleProg UK[^]
They have the German office/site too.. but I have never attended these trainings.
cheers,
Super
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HobbyProggy wrote: overwehelmed by a bad style of coding by our boss
My boss has also a very bad coding style, but this has never been a problem, as we do not let it touch the source code.
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Problems is he already wrote several stuff here and now since he finishes his parts he will try to get hand on ours. 
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The only sort of training you can take to solve a bad boss problem is: Resume Writing 101.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I would highly recommend the books of Martin Fowler on refactoring.
Refactoring[^]
it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.
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