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Steve Raw wrote: I've put at least 10,000 hours into this thing.
Schweet. It's always cool when a project comes together.
Steve Raw wrote: Please keep the profanity to a minimum.
Awww dang. 
Steve Raw wrote: Thanks, guys.
Hate to say it buddy, but the whole windows in a window thing has been around for a while man. For instance, Windows 96. Don't shoot the messenger.
The obvious difference between yours and the link I posted of course it, it seems as if you more user configurable in the browser itself. So, given what we know, we gotta find a target audience and/or what you want this thing to do. You can rule out most web developers because there's no need for them to use this... that's just the cold hard truth.
Making this a dev type environment for non-web devs is also a no-go. You can use VS Code (and other envs) in the web browser. It's backed by MS too.
So, what then, make we ask... what would become of this?
Seems this would be better suited for DevOps/Network engineers/hacker wannabes. Technical peeps but not necessarily web devs, where each window is essentially a terminal that exposes their favorite network tools exposed on a server somewhere. So essentially it's a configurable multi-window web terminal rather than SSH in to a box they have.
Also, side note, not sure it works with a high DPI monitor. I couldn't see most of the items as they were scaled too large. In Firefox if that helps.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Hate to say it buddy, but the whole windows in a window thing has been around for a while man. For instance, Windows 96. Don't shoot the messenger. 
Actually, I agree with you on this. What purposes could it serve besides just keeping my skills up? It's a fun project, and it's more of a meandering experiment than anything, but can there be more to it?
There is one exception to my argument, however.
I've had a startup company approach me wanting a front-end dev.
It wasn't possible for me to meet their demand. We had many long
discussions, but it just couldn't work.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, side note, not sure it works with a high DPI monitor. I couldn't see most of the items as they were scaled too large. In Firefox if that helps.
Oops. I missed your last comment.
That's a mystery. I set the default zoom to be 80%. I haven't any idea how that could happen. 
Are you able to do anything to replicate the problem?
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I should also say that Windows 96 will allow third party apps too, but AFAIK it still takes a web dev to make one. It also has a terminal. But, the terminal on it is limited and AFAIK doesn't run commands on the server and just tries to emulate them on the client.
What could set yours apart is the terminal running against the server for a terminal window, so it's actually useful.
Jeremy Falcon
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Windows within a browser window is definitely something to explore. I’m not sure what you or someone else may use your technique for, but if it’s unique and sound, I’m sure someone can build something with it.
Note: I read my morning Code Project on an iPad with Firefox. Your interface doesn’t behave well on it (I think @JeremyFalcon mentioned this too).
Whatever you end up up doing with it, kudos. Have fun with it.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events.
- Manly P. Hall
Mark
Just another cog in the wheel
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Mark Starr wrote: I read my morning Code Project on an iPad with Firefox. Your interface doesn’t behave well on it (I think @JeremyFalcon mentioned this too).
Whatever you end up up doing with it, kudos. Have fun with it.
Thank you, Mark. Yes, I've been so focused on the desktop/laptop interface that I haven't had the chance to create a touch-screen compatible version. One day, I'll get to the mobile phone UI, too. I may become elderly and senile by the time I get to it, so I can't make any promises.
In the meantime, how would I go about managing this issue of device compatibility? That's going to require some thought.
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I was frustrated when I pressed the "X" on a window and then had to select a drop down button of close. I can't imagine what this could be useful for so other than that small feedback, I'm of no use. Now I'm gonna go work so I can play outside this afternoon.
Hogan
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snorkie wrote: I'm of no use.
Oh, quite the opposite, actually. Feedback on user interface design and user experience,
is absolute gold. developers spend money to gather user feedback.
I've never been happy with the drop-down menu on the close 'window' icon.
I put it there to avoid accidentally closing a window. I hadn't developed
the system to save 'windows' and their content yet. Now that I have the
ability to save 'window' content, closing a 'window' on accident is no big
deal. Now, I can just open it again.
I think I'll disable it. It served its purpose, and it's no longer needed.
Thank you!
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"I've been busier than a three-legged cat in a factory where they make rocking chairs out of old razor blades."
- Me, responding to the 6,731st email asking when I'd be done
Software Zen: delete this;
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"I'd be closer to being done if I didn't have to respond to pointless emails, like this one."
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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Busier than a cat trying to bury poop on a marble floor!
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
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My Dad used to say, "I'm busier than a one-armed paper hanger."
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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My parents extended that to "I'm busier than a one-armed paper hanger with hives!"
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My dad used to say "Busier than a one legged man in an butt kicking contest"
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Downunder we say: Flat out like a lizard drinking.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Manager: How busy are you?
Me: Ten times busier than you.
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Rushing around like a blue a**ed fly.
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So Sunday I got the Insider for Tuesday last week. This morning I received Friday's.
It is very hit or miss if I receive them at all and they are almost always at least 2 days late.
Thoughts?
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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The ePostman in your neck of the woods is a lazy so-and-so? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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he really really is lazy. I need to flog that hamster more or we need more management. always need more management
*tongue firmly planted in cheek*
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Your tongue is so firmly in your check it's traveled up your eustachian tube[^] and is flapping away outside your ear.
Software Zen: delete this;
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it is and it is a neat trick
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Software Zen: delete this;
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and today. first time in awhile. I get it on time? hmmmmmm
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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I'm struggling with one of my hobby projects at the moment - I keep going down rabbit holes. I'm not exactly sure what features I want in it yet, I first need to come up with a rough prototype, some sort of 'minimum viable product' and let it evolve from there. Suck it and see.
At the same time, in the back of my head I know there are requirements for it to be low latency, hugely scalable and fault tolerant, and this affects how it should be written. So I'll look at it and go, hmm 64bit references - too large, too much garbage collection overhead etc. So I'll remodel it all as unsafe structs in unmanaged memory. Then I'll think about memory mapped files - that could be a way of avoiding long loading and saving periods and good for fault tolerance etc. etc. Turning my C# into some mad C parody.
Such efforts are kind of irrelevant in a sense as I don't actually have anything to scale out yet and hugely time and thought-consuming and generally stalls the whole thing. In the end I'll probably just get disillusioned and abandon it, like so many other projects. I've written down on a piece of paper on my desk 'No Rabbit Holes!' but I really struggle writing stuff that I know isn't taking into account nasty things down the road. Rabbit holes - they're like magnets.
Trying to think too far ahead is perhaps a tendency that kills things dead. Does this ring bells with anyone?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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