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I always thought is was an Application Programming Interface, a black box of sorts, you put something in, and you get something out.
Maybe I am missing something?
Not sure why you need a Copyright for that, but hey, I'm a simple man, who knows very little about such things. lol
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Oracle wants to copyright how you talk to their box. Which will then allow them to make you pay a royalty if you talk to an Android Google box.
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Haven't we been through this process before, regarding PC BIOS?
The PC BIOS was Copyrighted by IBM but Compaq and Phoenix and others copied the functionality without copying the code.
How did Compaq reverse engineered patented IBM code? - Quora[^]
So the question is, is the discussion regarding copyrighted code or patented code?
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That is a great example of precedence! A BIOS is a great example of an API. It's not high level like the one at issue, java, but that is definitely a software API where the application is the computer's operating system and, effectively, all programs that run on it.
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And Oracle can't be unaware of it.
So, what's different here?
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Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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It has become a matter of convincing judges to see it. To those of us in the software world it's fairly obvious, I think.
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I honestly haven't followed it enough to have an informed opinion.
But generally, I'm of the opinion that the patenting system is completely bollocks at the moment.
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Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: I'm of the opinion that the patenting system is completely bollocks at the moment. Like 90% of the people with common sense and not involved directly with it.
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Hopefully all those judges and high courts with decades of experience with copyright laws and the extensive details of the actual case come here to find the answer to their legal quandary from some guy on the internet. Who knows why the case has turned out to be so complex given how simple the issue apparently is.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Hopefully all those judges and high courts with decades of experience with copyright laws and the extensive details of the actual case come here to find the answer to their legal quandary from some guy on the internet. Probably they should, because they do lack the technical knowledge about the possible implications that their veredict might have worldwide.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: Who knows why the case has turned out to be so complex given how simple the issue apparently is. Are we not speaking about trials, companies with a lot of lawyers and a possible big $$$ involved at the end? I would say it was not to expect anything else.
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Nelek wrote: Probably they should, because they do lack the technical knowledge about the possible implications that their veredict might have worldwide.
That's quite patronising TBH, don't you think the complexity and depth of the laws involved are 1,000,000 times more difficult to grasp than understanding what an API is?
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Patronising or not, the "possible implications that their verdict might have" are completely irrelevant to deciding a matter of law.
Besides which, education and background in law does not teach you what an API is. That's not to say that a lawyer or judge is incapable of understanding the concept, or indeed of doing so quickly. However they need to gain that knowledge from somewhere, and somewhere that is well informed and authoritative. This is one thing "expert witnesses" do - provide a (hopefully unbiased) explanation of how to interpret domain-specific terminology and concepts. In the UK, if you consider yourself to be an authority on a particular subject, you can submit your details to one of several expert witness directories and you can earn good money by sharing your expertise in court. Generally speaking, though, you do need to be very, very, very good.
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What has happened is a tech-savvy judge got it sorted out and made their ruling. Oracle didn't like it and appealed to the next higher court. They didn't get and reversed. Google didn't like that and appealed, and ... I might have the ordered messed up but it has been a sequence of hearings somewhat like that.
The key to this case will be making an argument that the non-tech savvy supremes can almost understand so that they'll even hear it in the first place.
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They would first have to agree on the difference between an "argument" and a "parameter."
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You have not seen the patents that are our there... haven't you?
i.e.
Unlock a device by sliding your finger on the screen: Patented (as idea)
and there was a trial too (AFAIK its veredict was against all common sense)
So... I would not bet on this one.
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The "swipe" is a particular technique, involving the device and the user, electronically, digitally, timings, offset, displacements, speed, pressure, etc. A lot more complex a scenario than a digital "promise".
An "API" can be 1 method / call; or thousands; or a subset; or a hyper-set; ...
We could start by eliminating "text speak" which has been piggy backing on a known language. Or make them pay a royalty.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: The "swipe" is Thanks for correcting me and giving me the correct word in such a nice way
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Amazon patented a concept they call, "one-click ordering." The patent situation in the USA is out of control.
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Can I patent a 'one-flick' insult? Two, if you want to use both hands! Instant moneybags!
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I am going to patent the human walk and all it's variants.
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I thought Monty Python's already been there.
Or was that only the silly ones?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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I think that's more "branding" than some real process.
If you think about, it's probably filling in a bunch of boxes and then using "one click" to send it off.
Like "one-stop shopping". (Forget about the traffic lights)
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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That should fall under a trademark, not a patent.
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Definitely, and that's why I think it's so absurd.
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There is also a patent on saving what's displayed on a screen before overlaying it, so that it can be easily restored without redrawing what was there before.
This kind of thing is why I think all software patents should be cancelled and replaced by copyrights.
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