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If he codes fast and it works then you will never win.
I have worked with wonderers,
you wonder how they every made,
you wonder how there code works,
you wonder how to get ride of the person
and then soon you wonder why their walking me out.
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What I'm hearing is that you don't like the way this guy does his job because you could do it better. It also sounds like you want some recognition for being better at his job than he is. Get over yourself.
He's found a tiny puddle that he can be the big fish in. It sounds like its gone to his head a bit, but aside from that let him have his day.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Ive had my own small software business for over 20 years and one of the things I was glad to leave behind was maintaining legacy code written by morons or working in a 'team' with them. some of these people only got the job because there was no-one else around or they came across as 'bright' and quick learners in their interview, but who couldn't adhere to any sort of standards or write maintainable code - as I say it was 1991 the last time I had to do it but still remember the frustration, so I feel your pain m8
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You might ask yourself why he is highly regarded by management. It may be true that you are light years ahead of this fellow in programming skill but he is clearly ahead of you in the things that matter to management - providing good ideas that work. I have seen it too often that programmer think that their programming skill is what matters when in reality no one,except programmers, give a darn. They want ideas executed quickly. That's what pays the bills. Rewriting his ideas in "proper code" will do nothing - I repeat, nothing for your career. Take a page from his book - find a great idea code it quickly and pitch it to the bosses.
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As people suggested many things here, they are all good. But if you don't have the power to change the mind of that programmer or the management (either persuasive, or by authority) and cannot provide solid examples of his failures (or that doesn't work), I suggest to let it fail. Failures may be bad for business, but business people does not see failure so complete (it is just another step) and keeping company from failure (usually hiding it through more work) is not only getting you anywhere better, but also will make you wish to work go away. Quitting a job will is always an option. A lot of people see a lot of drama in that, but I consider it as a fair option - the company management should not be easily persuaded, but objectively judging.
And a person quitting is strong signal to management that something is wrong. If they see you useful, they'll try to hold on, explaining the problem to them after such a step will probably make them listen. Point the exact problem (not the person, the person's code, the current architecture, etc.) in the right language will make them at least think about it. Sooner or later something will fail and they'll remember your words.
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First of all, have you tried the Git install for windows?
Well, you're a developer, so what am I thinking? You don't use Source Control software.
Second, if you have tried the install, have you noticed that it unpacks the zip file without letting you know and you sit there wondering if you even double-clicked on the install .exe or not.
It's terrible. I've tried it on two machines now -- one an i7 with 8Gb ram and it took so long doing nothing, couldn't even tell it was doing something.
Third, I'm wondering if adding the word "Git" will now make everyone's ad bars on CodeProject start showing us ads for Git products?
Cheers,
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I'm shocked, shocked, that a major Penguinware tool has a elephanted user experience on Windows.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: I'm shocked, shocked,
There's an electricity in the air. And that electricity is GIT Install!!!
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Which Git? Msysgit?
I just use GitHub for Windows. It installs msysgit and poshgit alongside its own UI.
And to answer your third question: yes, yes it does.
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Git for Windows is a P.O.S. Use something like SmartGitHg.
Marc
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Hey, that's interesting. I've been switching between Mercurial and Git for quite some time.
I decided to go back to Git -- even though I think Hg is better, easier, more intuitive commands -- simply because I didn't want to forget the commands and be left behind by all the Git-hubbers out there.
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I use Atlassian SoureTree. Its good. Very good actually.
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That ad up there with the dude playing drums. I know you can see it, because you are on codeproject and it is up there. Looks like : http://newtonsaber.com/images/codeproj/dudeplaysdrums.png[^]
Anyway, question is: What does he have to do with SAP?
No, I'm not going to click the ad to see the answer.
I'm sure you guys know and can straighten this all out.
Also, he looks very serious, so I think SAP is a very serious bizness I should ought to be gitting into imediately if not sonner. PLuz it halps your spaling.
modified 22-Sep-14 10:49am.
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The keyword is 'beat' - if you going to use SAP's Cloud Services you will beat you own head into the nearest wall, just like the guy beat the drums...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Okay, that makes sense, because I don't use SAP but I am often beating my head on the walls.
Also, that guy is everywhere now -- on codeproject.
He's down there too... :
http://newtonsaber.com/images/codeproj/dudeplaysdrums2.png[^]
Sorry, he's probably all over your codeproject now too, cuz I said <whisper> sap </whisper>
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: The keyword is 'beat' - if you going to use SAP's Cloud Services at all, in any way, shape, or form, you will beat you own head into the nearest wall, just like the guy beat the drums... You have to be precise, which SAP makes it absolutely murder to be.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Don't forget that the wall you'll be beating your head off of is made out of the cement you had to pour into your process in order to start implementing SAP in the first place.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Wow, SAP sounds like tons of fun. No wonder they are advertising it so heavily: they want share the experience so everyone can feel the pain.
"Don't miss out on the complete anguish. How can you tell you're alive if you're feeling no pain? Implement SAP today!"
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Yeah. The pain only really can be justified for really large businesses. A half dozenish years ago a friend of mine was involved in a SAP project for a major oil company; the returns his employer got for the increased utilization of their rail tanker cars was large enough to justify a lot of suffering; but for your average SMB doing the same would be insane.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Exactly which module of SAP gave your employer increased use of their tanker cars? Could that module have been implemented without the rest of SAP's crud?
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It was my friends employer, so no idea.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I burned my fingers with SAP already, nowadays I keep my distance...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Quote: burned my fingers with SAP Hot SAP! Only normally found during forest fires. Otherwise just sticky.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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He looks really angry at the SAP logo.
BTW same-origin policy, they mean CORS and jsonp stuff right?
It's 5 lines of Javascript code for bob's sake
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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