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trønderen12-Aug-22 3:56
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
jeron1 wrote:I wouldn't think that they could give a [mastadon] how real software is made.

You are, unfortunately, correct. Sigh | :sigh:
Also, like most people, I do not know much about how a real car is made. Or a recliner. Or spaghetti. I saw a couple TV programs about how pork is made and how chicken are made; they almost made me a vegetarian.

I really shouldn't have to worry about how the software I buy is made - no more than I worry about how my coffee machine or SLR camera is made. I shouldn't have to. The manufacturers should have a professional pride that made it unnecessary for me to worry; I should trust him.

Unfortunately, we haven't been given our customers very good reasons to trust us (I have been in software development myself all my professional life). If we have any professional pride to talk of, it relates to benchmark tests. Or SW development related things, such as which programming languages have been used (e.g. reflecting the initial of the language in the product initial) - as if the customer cared. Out of a hundred thousand customers, how many will really make use of the 'open source' that we promote so eagerly?

How often do you see 'qualities' of the software promoted as a sales point - in the sense of qualities actually requested by customers? To me, the the majority of "What's new in this version" lists resemble the front pages of tabloid newspapers. They are eye catchers (or, let's use the modern term: click baits) that really doesn't reflect very much of importance to the customers.

I cannot stand up for myself and my co-workers (at any of the places I have worked) and declare that we are esteemed craftsmen, taking pride in satisfying the customer quality requirements. We satisfy customers enough to sell the product. Not much more.

It has been like this ever since I was a student, and C (with no checking whatsoever on out-of-bounds array index checking) pushed out Pascal (where you had to explicitly turn off index checking): The student group was split into two camps, the C camp insisting that we couldn't waste resources on such luxury - it would cause the program to grow in size and run slower. The Pascal camp gradually dwindled away ... and hasn't ever risen. (It is less than a year since I last met the argument against C# that bounds checking makes the code run unacceptably slow; C is the only option if you want 'optimal' speed.)

So I fully support Unix Sheik. But this is our responsibility. We must give the customer good reasons for trusting the quality of our work; it is not his responsibility to relate to our work practices. No more than for coffee machines, spaghetti or cars.
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