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For logging purpose, Trigger is fine. Personally I prefer Stored procedure because you can't control the Trigger.
And Trigger Disadvantages[^]
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Your link shows very important information. And from that information, I conclude that it may be a bad decision to use them for logging purposes: in a transaction rollback, also the trigger actions will be rolled back. I.e. when you log by inserting into a table, that will be rolled back, too!
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Sorry for the delay. For beginners(yes he is), Triggers not suggestable. We can't control that. As Eddy said, we can't dubug too. Personally I use Stored procedure instead of trigger. But I rarely use triggers for tasks such as audit trail(During Login/Logout).
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Jassim Rahma wrote: my simple example is an event-log table... I insert a row in this table if a row was inserted in employees table.
Can be done both ways. Triggers *could* be harder to debug though.
I cannot recommend anything, as that would depend on the requirements of the audit-trail. How does your "event log table" look, and what are you planning on doing with it?
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Jassim Rahma wrote: or start using triggers?
As with anything it depends on the usage.
Jassim Rahma wrote: my simple example is an event-log table...
Might note that in my experience doing this is often driven by the need for audit logging and it is seldom sufficient as it ignores user, reason and fails to allow deletions to be handled well.
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so in this case you pefer to do it through SPs?
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Hi,
Is is possible to create a trigger ON SELECT in MySQL?
If not, any other way to do it?
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Jassim
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Jassim Rahma wrote: Is is possible to create a trigger ON SELECT in MySQL?
Only 3 events INSERT, UPDATE & DELETE. CREATE TRIGGER Syntax[^] & its Syntax and Examples[^]
Jassim Rahma wrote: If not, any other way to do it?
What do you want? explain clearly(ON SELECT).
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Jassim Rahma wrote: Is is possible to create a trigger ON SELECT in MySQL?
No. That's why you added the second question, ain't it?
Jassim Rahma wrote: If not, any other way to do it?
No. You can fetch from a SP and add that functionality yourself. Triggers aren't meant as an audit-trail, that's hardly secure.
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Dear all,
I'm currently trying to make a DB system scratch which I can use as backbone for my Qt application. Since I will store big amounts of data [photo RAW data] in there, I figured that a classic relational DB might not be the best solution. What I'm planning is now a classic relational DB [MariaDB] as persistent storage, cached by a No-SQL Database [MongoDB].
In the end the whole system shall be built up like this.
Here's a little additional explanation:
Persistent Storage Access
The Persistent Storage Access handles the access to the persistent MariaDB database which holds all the application data. It supplies the data used to build the Cache and if there are Update or Creation Queries, but also for Get Queries if the cache can't supply the requested item.
Cache Access
The Cache Access handles the access to the MongoDB database which is used to cache the access to the Persistent Storage. It contains a copy of the most recently added, updated or requested items.
Data Access API
The Data Access API coordinates access between Cache and Persistent Storage. If an item requested can't be found in the cache, the DAA gets it from the Persistent Storage and also adds it to the Cache. If an item is added, the DAA saves it into the Persistent Storage and also adds it to the cache. All this coordination is needed to take out complexity from other parts, e.g. the business classes.
I I'm in doubt whether the MongoDB will really give me any performance boosts, so if anyone could share their thoughts on what I plan here?
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The size of the database does not have very much to do with the performance. (Also remember that they have memory caching built in.)
The question is how you're going to use it.
The big weakness with MySQL/MariaDB is joins and aggregations with lots of data and a lot of tables. And I doubt that's how you're going to use it if you're having an image database. Fetching single items or ranges from an indexed table is actually where MySQL/MariaDB excels. Keep in mind that Google actually uses a (highly modified) version of MySQL.
My key rule for performance is that it's the amount of data you need to handle at a given moment that matters.
So tell us how you're going to use it first.
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I have started an article[^] on the program I want to write.
The idea behind it that I can assign photos to albums - One photo can be part of any amount of albums, and can have any numbers of tags assigned.
Furthermore, the photos shall be versioned, e.g. there is the base (original) photo and several versions on which photoshop was applied.
Possible queries are (apart from the usual insert etc..):
- Get all child versions of a photo
- Get all photos for a given album
- Get all albums a photo appears in
- Get the parent versions of a photo
- Get tags assigned to a photo
- Get photos which have tags X & Y [...] assigned
- Get photos which have tags x & z assigned, but not Y
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I think you don't need the cache server, in your case it only adds to the complexity without adding much functionality.
Had you been working with large queries that aggregates down to small data volumes <edit>that are reused</edit>, it would be a completely different situation.
I also think you're a bit wrong about SQLite. It's a file database alright, but so are (almost) all databases. The problem is that it's a SINGLE file database, so when it has grown out of the harddisk(s) on the server you're in trouble. But the real problem it has is that it's bad with concurrency.
So assuming that you anticipate some growth I agree with your choice of MariaDB for this purpose.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: So assuming that you anticipate some growth I agree with your choice of MariaDB for this purpose.
I definately anticipate a big growth, since the image raw data will be contained in the database - A single raw image data file is 20-30 MB easily.
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SQLite is file-based; but that doesn't make it slow. And no, it's not file-based like FoxPro where each object is a file. It's a friggin' fast single-file database, ideal for local caching.
You should also take in account that servers and local databases work quite differently.
..and no, you should not need to cache the db-server (unless your caching the blobs locally). If it's that slow then you need to revisit your datamodel.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: SQLite is file-based; but that doesn't make it slow.
I know - What I think is that it becomes slow if I load and save big photo raw data frequently.
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Marco Bertschi wrote: What I think is that it becomes slow if I load and save big photo raw data frequently.
Why?
Databases (both local and server) are meant to handle data. That includes blobs.
Yes, modifying a blob might be slower than a file-system; especially if the blob is doubled in size. Still, I did not notice any delay when I hooked up the dokan-driver to Sql Server. That made my db with blobs accesible using explorer, and I created, opened and dropped the connection on every read. Reading a blob is done in 4k pieces. Copying a file to/fro the DB still happened at 40 MB/sec (the max for that driver). It was fast enough on my testmachine (with 1 Gb RAM) to simply unzip a large file IN the folder that was linked to a table.
Depending on your network, it may be very expensive to fetch a large blob (say 250 Mb on a 10 Mb network). In that case you mimick IIS - you fetch a picture once, and if it's fetched again you send a HTML 304.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Depending on your network, it may be very expensive to fetch a large blob (say 250 Mb on a 10 Mb network). In that case you mimick IIS - you fetch a picture once, and if it's fetched again you send a HTML 304.
Shouldn't be a big problem, since I plan on using the database locally.
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If you plan on using it locally you can just as well use SQLite, concurrency won't be a problem then.
And if you plan on moving it to a separate server later you will anyway have to take network problems into consideration already now.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: concurrency won't be a problem then.
It will be, since a user may run more than one instance of the software, or I'm going to use multiple threads to access the database.
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How many threads are we talking about, or rather, how many writes are we talking about? The problem SQLite has with concurrency is that it locks the file rather than the row or block when you're doing DML on it.
But every operation takes only milliseconds, so timeouts aren't likely.
It's hard for me to believe that you could overload it with the use you specified earlier.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: It's hard for me to believe that you could overload it with the use you specified earlier.
No, that isn't the problem I see - But later there might be a Web service in front of the DB, and many async write operations may deadlock SQLite - As you said, MariaDB is the way to go.
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Ah, there you go, MariaDB it is then.
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Marco Bertschi wrote: But later there might be a Web service in front of the DB,
Just noting that you seem to be suggesting that you can write both a client application and a web service application and somehow everything will be the same.
Although that can be done the complications involved are significant. Those complications seldom add anything to the functionality of either. And doing it successfully without prior experience is going to be a challenge as well.
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Marco Bertschi wrote: It will be, since a user may run more than one instance of the software
Doesn't "have" to be; there might as well be a Windows-service that works as a DAL - and have your app interface with that.
Still, for multiple users one would recommend a *server*-database, complete with a server. It'd be a bit overkill to add that functionality yourself. And yes, that will introduce network-latency, but still does not mean that you need a second server-instance at the client.
Store cache the static data locally; that'd be the pictures. Generate a hash to see what's modified. Put the relational info in the server, and access that without caching. Lots of webapps have a webservice-layer on top of that DB and perform decent - so I'd assume that any app querying directly would be faster. You could then omit the client-db completely and cache the images on the filesystem.
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