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What shall I say? The little program I work on right now is a top candidate for this effect. The boss wanted a quick and dirty solution which will have to do until we come up with a better one. Along the way several things did not worke well and sometimes I had to take a step back and try something else.
The code is full of quick and dirty code to try out different approaches and also some remains of previous experiments. The whole structure and design has suffered from this tinkering. Now I'm cleaning it up a little, but still there will remain a lot to be improved. In a few weeks I will probaly plan the real solution and take this as a prototype. No doubt there will be many things which can be solved in a less error prone and better designed fashion.
But as I wrote, this little project has to be working quickly. In a few weeks it will have served its purpose and the encountered issues will help when planing the real solution. Quick and dirty is not always a bad thing. You just have to take it for what it's worth.
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CDP1802 wrote: Quick and dirty is not always a bad thing
Definitely. But then you have to discard it and build the real one, exploiting acquired knowledge.
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler.
-- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong.
-- Iain Clarke
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Usually I do that by redesigning the whole thing as a reusable module where it makes sense. In future projects I then can rely on code which has already proven it's worth.
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Very good.
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler.
-- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong.
-- Iain Clarke
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Luckily I have a boss who gives me time to do such things. A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'.
I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked I say things about the results which nobody understands. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.
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Your last sentence is definitely signature material! 
Luca
The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. -- Wing Commander IV
En Það Besta Sem Guð Hefur Skapað, Er Nýr Dagur.
(But the best thing God has created, is a New Day.)
-- Sigur Ròs - Viðrar vel til loftárása
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Wait until I post a picture of my new outfit.
How about a dark robe, covered with mystic symbols like the hex codes from 00 to FF. A matching pointy hat and some kind of staff or wand. Growing the obligatory beard my take a while
Edit: Just for fun, I just took it as my signature
modified on Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:32 AM
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Hehe, you should see the wonders I've coded on my first coding job. And I was paid for that.
No one is immune from writing bad\weird code, but some folk just insist they are right, and the rest of us gather here
I wonder how nobody hasn't put some of my early gems here.
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Luckily, for all of us, code is examined less often the older it is. And, over time, someone else may have had to work on it and disposed of the evidence
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Everyone pontificates about lofty and complicated concepts such as declarative programming, boxing, garbage collection, IDL, delegates, generics, etc. But I like your bold use of some very simple and perfectly legal constructs. Too bad the VisStudio compiler abhors this common contruct:
itemDups /= 0; 
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rokhead wrote:
itemDups /= 0
Yeah, my code won't even compile with this.
Talk about VS being Stooooooopid.
Maybe I will post a question on the C# forum saying:
<heading>Plz Help
Why does this code not work
itemDups /= 0
You write code for me, now, urgent
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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Im assisting a friend, and I request to see the C# code he is working on, so that I may understand it more clearly.
He uploads, I download.
Visual Studio causes issues, and refuses to open the Project, so I look at the Files.
I see only 2 .cs file's - Program.cs and AssemlyInfo.cs
This NORMALLY means that either they're coding .NET 1.1 (Form1.cs came out in 2.0), or a Command Line App. I'm assuming it's .NET 1.1, as it's a Windows App.
I look at the code (Terrible Form Generation, mixed with manually coded Events.. Yep... Looks like .NET 1.1)
After trying to convert to .NET 2.0, I decide to ask...
"What .NET are you using... ?" in the hope to move him onto .NET 2.0, and hopefully make life easier for him...
To my complete and utter surprise, he replies ".NET 2.0"
I go back to the Folder to re-check the files, and to the recently downloaded archive - Nope - I have everything he uploaded...
Then comes the next question...
"Which Compiler are you using... ?"
He replies...
"SharpDevelop"
I cry.... 
I ask why he doesn't use Visual Studio Express
He responds that he doesn't have enough free space...
I cry again....
Moral of the Story:
Sometimes Microsoft DOES Release Useful Products... For the love of god... Please use them
-= Reelix =-
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Sure, but ShharpDevelop is certainly not a bad thing. I can't really blame the developers for always being behind Microsoft. Especially if you consider the pace at which Microsoft is pushing .Net ahead.
My projects usually consist of a folder with at least 20 separate subprojects. Websites, webservices, clients for the webservices, application logic, resource access layer..... I could perhaps manage something like that with the Express edition, but it would certainly be a pain. SharpDevelop might prove to be the less painful alternative then.
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"I can't really blame the developers for always being behind Microsoft."
Dare I ask when Visual C# 2005 Express Edition was released.... ?
I can understand being behind, but that many years... ?
-= Reelix =-
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I still had the privilege to get to know the days before everything became commercial. Programmers used to share ideas and code and applications. Public projects like SharpDevelop live from voluntary work done by private persons. They don't have the manpower, the budget or the time to keep up with a company.
Instead I take such products as they are and thank the developers for their commitment. And I use the product if it is helpful in some way.
Edit: This site is also about the same idea, after all: Sharing information to everyone's benefit
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Reelix wrote: (Form1.cs came out in 2.0),
VS 2k3 does form1 by default.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4....
-- El Corazon
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Why would he send the AssemlyInfo.cs? 
When I was new to C# I helped a guy with a project of his; I wrote the backend stuff, he wrote the front end stuff.
I sent him the CS files. He said I needed to send everything required to build the code, so I sent him the BAT file I used to compile the code I wrote in EDIT. 
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Reelix wrote: "Which Compiler are you using... ?"
He replies...
"SharpDevelop"
SharpDevelop is an IDE (Integrated Development Environment), as is Visual Studio. Nothing more nothing less. The compiler is a totally different thing.
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Of course, but I think the main issue here was the way the code was formatted by the IDE. Personally I don't care with what the code was written, as long as it is readable. Even with the best IDE some people manage to produce unreadable code and others do a great job just with the Notepad. 'Beautiful' code may seem like a luxury to some, but it is not if you have to inspect other people's work and find out what it does.
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So have VS reformat it when you open it.
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Hey now, i Love SharpDevelop and i've never had a problem with it.
Although, if you are using SharpDevelop (any kind of recent version) for a form you should get:
Program.cs
MainForm.cs
MainForm.Designer.cs
and finally
AssemblyInfo.cs
Generated code goes in file.Designer.cs and events and whatever, go in file.cs. I still think partial classes are a bit wierd though. Maybe we should just go back to header files 
My current favourite word is: Bacon!
-SK Genius
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SharpDevelop usually creates a MainForm.cs (since version 1.0 [and even in the betas before], and since version 2.0 it also uses MainForm.Designer.cs).
If he has a form in Program.cs, that means he put it there manually.
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Reelix wrote: He replies...
"SharpDevelop"
I cry....
SharpDevelop is a good tool. And, I actually recommend even Notepad for beginners so that they can get used to the SDK tools. The IDE hides so many things and makes one lazy.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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SharpDevelop is still good, and its free.
in ur case you friend didi not uploaded the project file(Csproj) which sharpdevelop creates!.
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I freely admit it: I have done this frequently in the past and I will do it again. And it holds countless horrors for those who are not used to it anymore:
void SomeClass::SomeMethod()
{
asm
{
....
}
}
Seriously, I once began on a small self-built machine and typed in machine codes with its hex keypad. Compared to that some C++ inline assembly code is already high level. But I often wonder how people fare, who started out with something like .Net and Java.
Edit: How do I indent the code lines correctly with this editor? Tabs and spaces will not work.
modified on Monday, May 5, 2008 9:25 AM
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