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I hope that you get paid by the hour, or very well.
Is it really worth it to spend so much of your life at work.
Why do you do it? Is it because you love to and is it because there is too much work to be done in a short time.
If you are working more than 100hrs then I think you've got some very bad project management.
Michael
'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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I don't think anybody is really working 100+ hrs a week. At least not in a long term. It translates to around 15hrs a day / 7 days a week. Given that people need to sleep and eat, there is no time for anything else. No human being can endure that over time.
Another question is quality of work, of course. People can try to have two jobs, but if I am an employer I wouldn't have hired them under any circumstances. It's a joke, not the real work.
There is a daily time limit to what people can do without seriously slowing down. And that's exactly the reason why the normal working day is eight hours. All the rest is just greed - on both sides.
Regards,
Dejan Petrovic
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I was working 80-100 hrs every week for over a year. Unrealistic deadlines, specs on a cigarette packet, management had no idea what they were talking about etc.
I have paid for that now. I had a physical breakdown and have been out of work for 2 years recovering. I developed M.E(CFS) and had no support from my company, they cut me loose.
My advice is not to do it. If your company expects you work more than 40 hours a week make sure your not on a salary. If they are paying you by the hour it's surprising how those all nighters suddenly dry up.
Don't go home and figure out how to do tommorrows work either or expand on that new idea. If you want to work from home do something different like a project for CodeProject or help out on sourceforge.
I worked way too hard and am now paying the price. Don't do it no matter what the financial reward.
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Personally I go periods when I start a project that I work every hour I'm awake.
Then much longer periods where I do almost know real work.
The problem with working incredibly long hours is that unless you are well prepared you can be very unproductive per hour.
On the other side, when you are writing hundreds of lines of code an hour it is difficult to remember what you did a few hours ago, let alone a week ago. So to mainatin a train of thought it is easiest to keep working without interruptions.
So much of programming time can be taken up with re-interpreting of past creations, or interfacing new segments of code that it is easier to do it all in one burst.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign'
Rob Manderson wrote:
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Neither is the case for me, I actually at times choose to do it due to the nature of the beast and to keep things running along. Project management being bad I can agree with here. and I agree wholly with your quote about war being barbarism, very well put.
Michael Goesch
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The US Army doesn't allow me to just stop being a soldier.
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I had a project manager who once told the team that no project should ever run late because there were 24 hours in every day and we could work them all if we had to.
I told him if we had towork 24 hours a day, HE had done a really bad job of planning the project.
Avery Hilditch
In the beautiful city of
Adelaide, South Australia
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I don't work 100hrs a week on average (though the last three have been just that) but I do it because I have a stake in the company I am a part of. It is my future and sinks or swims with me. Sacrifice now, reap later.
I don't have your charm Butler, so I have to work hard
Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Macbeth muttered:
I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er
DavidW wrote:
You are totally mad. Nice.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I don't work 100hrs a week on average (though the last three have been just that) but I do it because I have a stake in the company I am a part of. It is my future and sinks or swims with me. Sacrifice now, reap later.
And good luck to you. Just remember that work isn't everything.
Paul Watson wrote:
I don't have your charm Butler, so I have to work hard
I don't work hard, I work smart - but you only learn to do that when you get a bit of experience and wisdom. You're still a young pup; You'll learn
Michael
'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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It would be interesting to see how much do people get coresponding to these working hours.
Love is the law, love under will.
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There was such pool as I remember. And some luckies got more than $200k/yr. There are few though, as i remember only 5-6 people here on CP have such salary. Not sure they are programmers though.
Philip Patrick
Web-site: www.stpworks.com
"Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Sadly the poll says nothing because the difference betwen 40 and 60 is to great. If I work 5 days a week, its 8 or 12 hours.
To know who works 40-50 and 50-60 from the nearly 50% of all guys would be realy valuable!
Martin
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I agree. Up to 40 would be a normal week about every where. There's not many people working more than 60. It's really between 40 and 60 that it should have been more detailed. Even before seeing the result of the poll I had this feeling that the majority of people would be in there.
Personnally I'm not too bad with usual weeks around 43 hours, but it may be more when there is an approaching dead line (nothing new here... )
Computers have enabled people to make more mistakes faster than almost any invention in history, with the possible exception of tequila and hand guns.
- Carl Gundlach
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Adding to your comment: I work at home, so I don't spend any time in my car at all. That means, I can use an extra hour on my work and still be there for my wife and my kids when they get home.
So, I have no problem at all spending 8.5 hours a day on my work. Plus an occational hour in the evening. Adding up, I reach something like 48 hours a week but honestly, I do not feel that busy.
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Thanks to our social legislation, I work 35h per week for 1 year, now. After 4 years at 50/60h, it's really, really
I even discover it's possible to have a life apart from work
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons
Cowboy Bebop
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Same here. Although I'm not backed up with legislation. I just have nice employers.
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Shine, enlighten me - shine
Shine, awaken me - shine
Shine for all your suffering - shine
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Lucky, lucky you
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons
Cowboy Bebop
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Yeah I guess. But they know they can always count on me.
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Shine, enlighten me - shine
Shine, awaken me - shine
Shine for all your suffering - shine
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Are they potentially on CP?
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons
Cowboy Bebop
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One of them is actually.
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Shine, enlighten me - shine
Shine, awaken me - shine
Shine for all your suffering - shine
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Nice nice employers (show them this message)
Philip Patrick
Web-site: www.stpworks.com
"Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Unfortunately I know the exhaustion of working long hours.
Not only do I wake up early, 5:30 AM and then work til 4:00 PM (no lunch either). I then get the pleasure of training people for Kung Fu. When this is done between 8 and 10 PM, I get to go home and work from there while I prepare food for another couple of hours. I then try to work on some side projects or my website. I do this while I try to read and learn the newset techs out there.. If I am lucky I am in bed by Midnight, if I am lucky, very lucky... Saturday and Sunday are a minimum of 8 hours of work for the company.
This happens because our company is small and, becuase of the economy, cash strapped. Every project and development goal is critical to keep my fellow man employed which I have to take seriously. I am the lead software engineer and the only windows programmer (not that I feel that I am ready for this because my previous full contact Kung Fu fighting career put me way behind the current technologies and the only place I can discuss issues is with people on the web. You have to see what my boss thinks a splash screen is... aargh.), but I am forcing myself to do it. Even if I do get laid off every other week... ..
All this and they think five paid days off as a starting package is better than great (by the way that is vacation, personal, and sick time all wrapped up in those five days... and no Comp Time) So I haven't taken a real vacation or sick time either for over a year. Not that I could with all the weeks being laid off... Not going to say whether I worked during those periods either... Take a guess...
If you start a fire for a man, he will be warm for a day. If you start that same man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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You are being seriously taken advantage of, here.
Our sympathies .
Software Zen: delete this;
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I would agree with this. I fall under the category of I have been assimilated. I think I have hit the point of writing code in my sleep, actually some of my best ideas of have come about that way.
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Wow, I pity on you.
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