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My keyboard prognostication on this "AI" stuff is that the Peak of Inflated Expectations is going to be suborbital and the Trough of Disillusionment is going to be subterranean.
We might need to take Tool's advice, "to keep us all occupied, learn to swim." Or to paraphrase Frank Herbert, "We've got hype sign, the likes of which God has never seen."
I'm not using ChatGPT, but I am looking to it, primarily for identifying pitfalls. As for coding, ChatGPT is only ever going to give you an amalgamation of what already exists. Someone relying on it is never going to create the next framework, language or coding paradigm. Granted, most of us are not doing anything unique while we build CRUD apps for money, but what happens when the innovators among us get trapped? Who is going to have a competitive advantage when companies are all unknowingly cranking out the same code?
Even now, the legal implications make me itch. Where's my backscratcher?
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WildlingCoder wrote: to paraphrase Frank Herbert, "We've got hype sign, the likes of which God has never seen."
Awesome  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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WildlingCoder wrote: We might need to take Tool's advice, "to keep us all occupied, learn to swim."
See you down in Arizona Bay
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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The developers will write the code for AI that Skynet uses to Exterminate them.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Now we just write the code for missile-navigation that other people use to exterminate us, as well as the code to track and identify using camera's and sattelites.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It is like having a conversation with an academic who is very well read and diligent but not very bright. Useful but not to be relied on. It might be nice to get it to take up some of the labour of coding but as it stands it is far too careless. It generates code that wouldn't even compile. That carelessness demonstrates that it is not on top of the situation with a clear logic but rather is making stabs in the dark guided by weightings of association. Rather like a well read but dull academic. It is always coherent and polite but often completely wrong. It seems to me that carelessness is built in as a way to keep going without exhaustively checking everything. Much as we do.
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john morrison leon wrote: but rather is making stabs in the dark guided by weightings of association.
john morrison leon wrote: Much as we do.
Not quite; there's also emotions involved for humans; and we weigh things differently, as things like bias, culture, education and past experience are all different weighing scales. We also change our viewpoints, based on our observations and interactions, and some of us experiment to find new insights. So, we create new ideas from old.
Wake me when ChatGPT wins a nobelprize, or develops a sexual preference.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: or develops a sexual preference.
Given the current internet trends I guess it would have a lot of feet, stockings and cat-girls.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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ChatGPT is a well written and well executed search engine that provides answers in English (or whatever language). At this time it's apparently beyond mainstream search engines in terms of returning clear results, but at its core, it's a search engine.
And like every other computer tool, it's only as good as its inputs. Folks will reply on it to be correct, and it's already proven that it can produce invalid results. Within a year or two I expect to see a news report that someone relies upon it for something critical, and an invalid answer produces a serious problem.
Garbage in, garbage out ...
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Thesaurus, fantastic tool when writing. its simply A input, here some B outputs as options, not dictatorial you must use only one of these options.
you know what makes that many times better, google/internet, where instead of just 1 company and person having curated their thesaurus, but somthing which can expand and contract over time, and distribtured globally within a few moments, instead of re printing a book.
Stack overflow, does not limit only 1 answer, and each can have additional comments, and people can come in and moderate and update another persons answer if gone out of date or just a tiny tweak needed
so how do I few ChatGPT, a semi none repeating generater of a question curated by billions of data points,
again with Stack overflow, you know what answers I love, they provide refernce link and example using the question asked.
"oh you should have just read the manual", sure, your assuming I didn't, but instead it just written in a slightly formatted way that not everyone gonna understand, and an example with my question can give that tiny nudge over to finally get it, and continue with the work.
remove that hurdle of waiting for someone, assuming if they even gonna see you question. but also have the knowledge and detail to reference from documentation
yes please.
if can be updated and old data pruned over time, which I invasion what google could leverage with its site crawling and algorithms it has built up over time to know what relevent and not.
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Consider ChatGPT an ad-free, human curated dataset from 2021, that can write small reports about any topic it contains.
Instead of spending 3 hours on Google to find a probably non-existing piece of software or obscure bit of knowledge, I now spend 5 minutes asking ChatGPT to write a report on it to get a better sense about keywords related to the topic. After that, I approach the same question in 3 different ways, using a different selection of keywords. It works better than any search engine I've ever tried.
So, bottom line, it saves me time and money so what's not to like?
Well.. the roll-out of ChatGPT plus is currently US-only and I am getting tired of being last in line for things like this. Feels a bit disrespectful too, because they wanted me to work on OpenAI for free, but they don't want to sell me any capacity to their service. I generally like Microsoft, but it's not a healthy relationship if you're not from the US.
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Kate-X257 wrote: Instead of spending 3 hours on Google to find a probably non-existing piece of software or obscure bit of knowledge, I now spend 5 minutes asking ChatGPT to write a report on it to get a better sense about keywords related to the topic. After that, I approach the same question in 3 different ways, using a different selection of keywords. It works better than any search engine I've ever tried.
So, bottom line, it saves me time and money so what's not to like?
You treat it like a personal assistant, and realize that it has limitations. May even be incorrect at times.
There's also people who assume that everything on Wikipedia is the truth. More people will make that assumption with ChatGPT. It may appear intelligent, but so did Eliza once.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Many local companies' payscale is not even close to 1/3 of FAANG's.
Cryptocurrency and blockchain companies like to set the questions' difficulty to the highest. It does not indicate the candidate's intelligence as he could have memorized the answers. The LeetCode trained employees cannot prevent several high-profile Cryptocurrency companies based in Singapore from bankruptcy last year.
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That's how I would view that code. Reviewing it may be more expensive than simply writing it.
..I make this joke about hospital equipment running VB6. Now, how much happy would you be if there's a ChatGPT logo there instead of the VB6 icon? It's hardly a joke at this point 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Or the statement about Java saying not to operate a nuclear power plant with it.
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I don't even let Linq or Entity Framework do my job for me and those are surely better alternatives.
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...and I did that several times with slightly modified input prompts
Fact is: The story, as it came out of chatGPT was not really in a state I would use for a final product, but I must confess, it DID bring some twist on the table, some ideas that really made it into the story line.
It can be a source for creativity, like an ignition spark, some things you don't think of at first sight.
It's a fact that it brought me new ideas.
I can not prove, whether I would've come up with the same (or very similar) ideas if I'd spend some more days polishing the story. This way or the other - it DID create ideas.
I think, the truth is, as always, somewhere in the middle.
It can be USED, it can be ABUSED but in the long run, it can't be avoided. You may be able to ignore/avoid the current ChatGPT iteration, you may even be able to dance around AIs for some years (I doubt, but who am I) - but in the long run, they're here to stay, as someone already wrote.
So, use them responsible and don't believe everything they tell you if you ask them things about our real world. For writing creativity, story telling, they can be very helpful, even in their current/todays state.
I mean... Music industry already relies heavily on AI support and so will do many more business models. I don't judge them, whether it's good or bad. They're here. So lets arrange because we are no longer cave men (at least some of us ), hitting everything with their spiked club if they don't understand it.
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Microsoft is already baking it into next versions of most of their software.
As with anything, its a tool and it has its pros and cons, but it's only getting better.
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Slacker007 wrote: but it's only getting better.
There was a test and it is supposed to have passsed the tests Google would do in an interview.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Chat GPT reminds me of all the family/friends on Facebook that forward the things that are easily proven false with a little research. "Share this with 10 people and Bill Gates will send you $1,000". In fact, I wonder how long it will be before they hacker groups figure out how to influence it to do seemingly random things.
Hogan
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In fact, a client of mine already used it like that.
We needed to setup a firewall in Azure.
My client simply started with "Does Microsoft Azure have a firewall?"
Then continued like "can we use it with an app service?"
It's quicker than reading the documentation and ChatGPT was on point.
He got it installed in no time (with some additional help from the documentation).
It's not a golden bullet, and you need to keep thinking for yourself, but it can be a great help.
Do not copy/paste code as-is though 
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Using ChatGPT as a sort of "expert system" and asking it specific questions makes much more sense than asking open ended questions like "write me a program to do ...". The state of the art is simply not good enough for it to produce decent code.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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That's exactly the point many of those articles "devs job are in danger" miss...
It might be a tool to do some tasks faster and more comfortable, but it is not a replacement of a trained human brain.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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... but I can see it being mandated.
I do work for a company that wholly embraces "citizen programming" and has a "throw a bot at it" mentality.
Which is some ways suits me as it more or less guarantees me work to keep fixing the mess that comes with that approach!
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Time to move on maybe ?
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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