It is funny that we had this discussion in the office kitchen just an hour ago. (And they don't read codeproject) Two of us felt it was a total nono and that it might be an age thing. But this Indian girl said that in India everyone rushes [uncritically] to new things, and that her grandma was into stuff like this.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
It is certainly not just India. I think it is at least as intense in the far east Asia.
And the style they seem to embrace: The 'cuteness level' is unbeliveable, including naming, like the Korean "LG" brand - "Lucky Goldstar". That is a typical name for a company, or for a product series.
I guess Western company names ad product label traditions are just as curious to them as their traditions are to us.
Programmers are generally distrustful of the motivations/management of devices like this.
I think if the general public was more educated and aware, they'd cast a wary eye as well.
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Most of us know how secure these apps can be and anyone who has worked in more than a couple of organisations know how trustful management are so I'm only surprised that ANY programmer uses one of these things.
But then some of our lives would be so boring to others it would destroy the AI listening.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
I trust most of these folks but they all have to obey the laws of goverments and market economy.
You lost me at "most". I require 100% trust, and we already know we cannot trust any large corporation. Or small ones, for that matter.
Also keep in mind that if some government figure gets a warrant, that means they can subpoena your records and/or directly listen in on your home life. Besides, any employee with access to the systems can eavesdrop without a warrant.
I'm gonna pass on letting unknown people into my home without my knowledge ...
On the personal level, I trust many (most?) of the programers / salesmen / etc. would never eavesdrop on private conversations. In the aggregate, and when serious money is involved? Don't make me laugh!
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In the words of Bill Burr 'I don't know why anyone would voluntarily bug their own house. Do you REALLY think you are the only one listening'? He also says that sending your saliva to Ancestry.com is akin to helping the Illuminati finish your robot replacement. Note to Self: watch more Bill Burr clips.
I am trying to reduce the amount of electronic trails I leave behind me: I am not into social media where I have to identify myself uniquely to get an account. I mostly avoid all sorts of login sites. (CP is one of a handful of exceptions.) I pay in cash for most of my stuff I buy, when possible. I do not use club membership cards to get a 1% discount on my milk and bread. I haven't made myself dependent on my mobile phone. I buy books, music and movies for my own bookshelf so that I can read / listen / watch without anyone keeping track of when, for how long and how may times I go to that streaming site and take note of what I read.
But it is getting increasingly difficult. The books, music and movies that I care to buy are hard to find in physical shops, so I buy some of that in webstores. That resulted in Amazon classfying me as a homosexual (which certainly is not a big issue in Norway, but e.g. in parts of the US you wouldn't want that), proposing a long series of "You will certainly like this movie..." from the gay movies catalog.
No, it was not in my style, and I had no idea about why Amazon thought so. Then, maybe half a year after I had bought a pile of DVDs did I get around to play the last one - an Italian "artsy" B&W movie from the early 1960s, based on some old mythological tale. And it happened in that in the movie, some of the demigods were rather scantily clad. Not fully naked, but you could certainly enjoy the view their bodies, if that happens to be your style. I was sort of happy to see where Amazon got their ideas about my preferences.
Homosexuality is "more or less" fully accepted here, so if Amazon's ideas had leaked out here, it would not hurt me (as opposed to if it had happened in parts of the US). If someone were looking over my shoulder when I was searching Amazon, noting all those movies Amazon thought I would like, they might be curious about it, though, considering that I had a wife and a daughter, and I might have to explain this about the Italian art movie. This is several years ago, and Amazon no longer proposes those movies to me any more.
I guess that things like that will pop up anew: There is no way to make yourself completly untracable. In 2011, a Norwegian right-wing terrorist attacked a Labor party youth camp with a machine gun and killed 77 youth, after blowing down the Government building with a box car filled with explosives outside the building. This fellow had not been very active on the Internet. Nevertheless, police dug up more than ten thousand distinct pieces of evidence that they condsidered could be of interest for the court - from his childhood background to receipts from stores where he was living.
Today, I am certain that if police for one reason or the other goes after me, they could dig up much more information about me than they did for this Anders Behring Breivik fellow - I have been much more active in the digital world than he has. And I am not sure that it would benefit my case. If anyone else does the same, I am quite sure that it would not be of any benefit to me. I'd rather be without the "benefits" of exposing myself even more than I do. Even if it could give me an extra 1% discount on my milk and bread.
I have an Amazon Echo, and it sits by a window adjacent to a noisy street. As it is, I usually have to yell for the device to understand me. If Amazon is recording this, they're recording a lot of road noise.
Mrs. Wife got a credit card form our bank. After spending US$500 we got US$300 "cash back" and both an Amazon Dot and Echo. Got rid of both, still shrink-wrapped. (the Dot was donated, made into the prize for a drawing, and made US$150 for charity - best thing it will ever do as it lacks a self-destruct button).
Once - in a home with an Alexa, I exclaimed "Alexa, Please Die" - try it. Frequently.
We are so boring though we put the mother ship to sleep.
WE are the same way.
And they're terribly helpful...even if you don't trust them.
Ok, Google, what's the weather?
Ok, Google, what time is it?
Ok, Google, set a timer for 15 minutes (hands-free cooking timer).
Ok, Google, what does the word obsequious* mean?
This is all life-transforming stuff I can't live without now.
*Did you just try that one out to see what obsequious means? Yeah, I got you.
I use them for music and for weather, trivial fact searching, etc. and only in my home office.
I don't usually say anything in my home office that, if it made it to the "outside" world, would be incriminating to me, so I am not worried about that.
However, I have heard horror stories of these types of devices calling 911, etc. on the owners, and other similar oddities.
I use the Google Home Mini[^] That's what she said! and it is voice command activated with key word ( I think they all are), so I have to say "Hey Google" before I can give it commands, but how do I know that it is not storing other things since it is always listening for "Hey Google" command?
Anyhow, I voted: Mostly. I may use them only in non-sensitive scenarios.
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