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On this occasion, having a note here is worth-while as this needs a clean-up crew to remove the trash.
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I'd personally like to have the chance to know what changes were made in an edit: that gives me a chance to both understand the changes, perhaps benefit in terms of future writing for CP ... or reverse the changes, if I think appropriate.
By the way, I set the edit permission on a tip/trick sent in yesterday, to 'Admin Only,' and today I find it reset to 'Silver Members.' What would cause that ?
thanks, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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I share your opinion here, actually the current state tends to keep me away of those parts of CP; CP staff will tell you you can see older versions and even compare two versions, I just hate it to get an e-mail that makes me waste several minutes to find out one of the editors has put CODE tags around one or two class names in some sentence.
And I have seen the edit restrictions getting looser too, don't know what exactly triggers it. I make sure I check them each and every time I edit one of my items, if and when I do edit something of mine. And I refuse to edit someone else's stuff.
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When do you get your edit points for editing your own articles?
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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You have to send away for them, wait 21 days and complain in triplicate.
Actually, you should get them immediately.
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Nope, lost in the post I think (19 days to go).
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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Once you get enough editor points, you can trade them in on a weenie whistle.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Immediately if the edit was major (and not simply minor)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I edited my RaptorDB article on the 13th November and nothing happened.
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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Reputation Type/Event Description Points Max events per day Max events total Points Needed
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Edit Article A member receives points for editing an article - changing at least 10% of the content. 5 25 ∞ 500
Edit Question/Answer A member receives points for editing a question (under Quick Answers). 2 50 ∞ 500
Edit Technical Blog A member receives points for editing a Technical Blog Article - changing at least 10% of the content. 2 25 ∞ 500
Edit Tip/Trick A member receives points for editing a tip/trick - changing at least 10% of the content. 2 25 ∞ 500
Edit video article A member receives points for editing a video article 5 25 ∞ 500
I think, for points it needs a major edit.
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I have released updates and edited at least 10 times since the original article, still nothing?
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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Win 7 64, Chrome Canary latest version. Will check in IE9 and add a report to this message if I observe a difference.
While at editing time indent and outdent have effects on plain text (not bracketed as code, quote, etc.), in the resulting posted message: the appearance of any "offset" is gone.
Pasting in tabs "works" visually, in edit mode, but also does not result in tabulated results in the final message. Using 'untab' on pasted in text to convert tabs to spaces also results in no visual result in the rendered, final, message.
And, of course, use of "raw" leading spaces on any line in edit mode: those appear to be auto-trimmed.
... IE 9 test of indent ... three indents applied ...
Nope, same result in IE9.
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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why would you want indent and outdent for plain text?
Just along for the ride.
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Slacker007 wrote: why would you want indent and outdent for plain text?
To offset a list of words appropriately when inserted as examples following some statement terminated by a colon. Kind of like the way bulleted lists are used (however, I am not asking for bulleted lists [I don't like them]).
I am also asking based on the assumption that usually what works in the editor effectively ... as indent and outdent do ... will show up in the final formatted message. aka: WYSIWYG 
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Not sure what brought this on, unless I completely misunderstood.
Outside PRE and CODE tags, HTML tends to eat all spaces (and tabs) except one, always has, always will. I've never seen a browser handling that any different. That is one reason why I suggest to put tabular data (and not just code) inside PRE tags (the non-prop font being another reason).
[ADDED] The non-breaking spaces ( ) don't get aggregated, one could use them to tabulate/indent some text also, however I still recommend PRE tags! [/ADDED]
modified 14-Nov-11 9:37am.
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Thanks for the advice, Luc; I was operating as if there was a WYSIWYG relation between functionality in the editor, and the final formatted message, but that there isn't ... quite, in some cases ... in no way rocks my boat.
I regularly use a forum (non-technical) where pasted in tabs work, and leading spaces work in the sense of: if they appear in the editor, they appear in the final message. Of course it's unfair to compare that editor's limited functionality with the range of options the CP editor must support !
I will adjust my expectations, and try out pre tags as you suggest in those rare cases I want to indent some plain-text.
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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You're welcome.
I forgot to mention there is one exception in the CP editor: it does preserve paragraphs, so us entering a newline gets translated in whatever it takes to get a new paragraph in HTML.
BTW: IMO not treating spaces/tabs any special by CP is OK as it supports a fluid behavior, where paragraphs format themselves depending on the width of your browser window (except inside PRE tags).
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The reason is that when you post a message you are actually posting in HTML, not plain text, and in HTML multiple spaces are collapsed down to a single space.
You can always try checking the box "Treat my content as plain text, not as HTML" which will then format as plain text and preserve spaces and indenting.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Thanks, Chris,
Unfortunately checking that box for plain text is applied globally to the entire message, thus removing any use of the CP's editor's wealth of functionality.
No big deal, will experiment with non-breaking spaces:
For example your Extension Methods might include:
IsNull
IsNotNull
NumberOfIdenticalValues
Fine, works great.
I wonder if "convert tabs to spaces" used on what's chosen by the user of the editor as plain text on insertion might be modified to replace tabs with non-breaking-space character HTML code ? For text not inside 'pre' tags ?
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Most excellent !
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Why did you guys take out the number of views? That was just one change that broke CPAM.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Sorry about that - fixed.
It seems an aribtrary change but we have been doing some serious refactoring as we work to implement a new system for editing articles. It's a fundamental re-think of the editing workflow which should make life a lot easier for a lot of authors.
My apologies that this one slipped through the cracks.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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No worries. When you turned view counts back on, CPAM clicked into place (after the other changes I had to make) and everybody's happy now.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I thought I'd mention that the views count is also missing from tips/tricks, and no doubt from blog entries. I don't have any blog entries, so I can't verify it with my own data, but it would be worth verifying that the views count is either still there or restored if it isn't.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Tips have never shown a view count because views for tips and alternatives aren't as well defined. IF you view a tip you also get the alternatives shown, but are they actually "viewed". As well, if you click a link to an alternative you are taken to the point on the page for the alt, so does that mean the original is also viewed?
We're redoing this to make it more cut and dried.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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