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Alvaro Mendez wrote: I see a banner on the top, one on the side, and Adsense on the bottom right of articles.
I am trying to figure it out what is so wrong about it and how it negatively affects articles on this site 
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: Please enlighten us (or at least me) by what you mean with "the IntelliTXT advertising".
If certain options are selected in your profile - and in the author's - "keywords" in the article will appear in a different color with a double underscore. The word "cpu", for example, might appear this way. When you mouse over the word, a balloon ad for, say, Intel CPUs will appear on top of the article, and will stay on the screen for several seconds even after you move the mouse.
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The Grand Negus wrote: "keywords" in the article will appear in a different color with a double underscore. The word "cpu", for example, might appear this way. When you mouse over the word, a balloon ad for, say, Intel CPUs will appear on top of the article, and will stay on the screen for several seconds even after you move the mouse.
Can you provide some kind of example, so I can see how bad this IntelliTxt is? Is there a particular article that has too much of it?
Also, I've noticed that in my profile, I have IntelliTxt turned off 
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The Grand Negus wrote: And please don't say, "But it brings in revenue!" That's an argument for drug dealers and whores.
Hmmm... A CP whorehouse... Like Rent-A-Coder, but without the pretense. We could even call it "Rent-A-CodeWhore"!
I would prefer that to IntelliTXT... (though, i keep IntelliTXT turned off, so it really doesn't bother me).
C'mon, Chris - whaddaya say? 
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Shog9 wrote: A CP whorehouse... Like Rent-A-Coder, but without the pretense. We could even call it "Rent-A-CodeWhore"!
  Damn, my eyeballs just fell out....oh wait...here's one, ahhh and here's the other 
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I think that was the first time I laughed so much I wanted give a post more than a 5.
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Matt Gerrans wrote: I think that was the first time I laughed so much I wanted give a post more than a 5.
I know the feeling. There have been times I wanted to vote a 6, 7, or even a 10 
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It is also a matter of principle that bandwidth costs money.
You can go to the CP Store, and buy "supporter status", or any other product.
I trust the CP administration that it would drop part of the advertisement, if other sources bring enough money to sustain the site (and some money for Nish so he can get Smitha a nice anniversary gift, and a new Snowboard for Chris).
Maybe I am to trusting, but then, I hate cycles of distrust.
"But it brings revenue" is not only for drug dealers and whores, but also for billions of people to get up and dressed early in the morning.
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peterchen wrote: You can go to the CP Store, and buy "supporter status", or any other product.
So, all you who love this site and respect its members, buy support so this IntelliTXT travesty can end!
peterchen wrote: "But it brings revenue" is not only for drug dealers and whores, but also for billions of people to get up and dressed early in the morning.
Sad. I always tell people to do what they love and love what they do and trust God to provide. And it has worked for everyone I know who has attempted it. If you're working at a job you don't like, quit. Then ask yourself, "If I had a million dollars, what would I do?" and take a first step in that direction. If the cause is worthy and your heart is true, the necessary funds will be provided by He who says, "The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills." There is no need for anyone to be a whore.
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The Grand Negus wrote: If I had a million dollars, what would I do?" and take a first step in that direction.
why don't you try that i don't think it include posting junk on CP
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Amar Chaudhary wrote: why don't you try that i don't think it include posting junk on CP
This junk is entertaining, wait, I have to go bet some more popcorn and soda :->
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The Grand Negus wrote: There is no need for anyone to be a whore
You really need to take this to the Soapbox...
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The Grand Negus wrote:
So, all you who love this site and respect its members, buy support so this IntelliTXT travesty can end!
I did. But I keep IntelliTXT on too, because CP is too valuable a resource to lose. You have the option to turn off IntelliTXT, if you don't like it then do so and then shut up. It is not often that you have a choice, but here at CP you do.
You are obviously just trolling and I don't know why I've even bothered to reply...
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I wish someone - anyone - here could see that I'm not talking about IntelliTXT per se, but IntelliTXT as a bad idea - together with the fact that a bad idea plus a box to turn it off is not just a bad idea, but a worse one (due to the additional baggage). I'm talking about how bad ideas get accepted, and spread, and are then taken for granted - resulting in lower standards for all of us. I'm talking about design issues and what we, as developers, should do about them.
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I was not aware that this site had intellitxt. But now that I know, and now that I know it is optional, I went into my profile settings and turned it on. It is the least I can do to support this site.
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --
Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
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Michael P Butler wrote: I don't know why I've even bothered to reply
Because you care! (Unlike others who seem to think that CP can survive on fresh air)
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peterchen wrote: It is also a matter of principle that bandwidth costs money.
I know English isn't your native tongue, so I'll help you out here.
It's a matter of fact that bandwidth costs money. It's a matter of principle how one acquires that money.
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principle and possibilities.
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But it's the principles one lives by that determines which possibilities are acceptable.
My principles prevent me from seriously considering the possibility that we might, for one reason or another, color-code and double-underline arbitrary words in someone else's sentences. Why? Because it's unnecessary, improper, tasteless, and contrary to the very purpose of a sentence, which is clear and concise communication of a thought.
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IntelliTxt ads are annoying, but comparing them with drug dealing and prostitution is simply absurd. The situation here is simple, as I understand it: Chris feels that his site cannot survive without generating more revenue than what can be obtained through banner ads and paid supporters, as things currently stand. He knows that most us would rather be annoyed by the IntelliTxt ads than lose the site. They were the least obtrusive option he could think of, so he went ahead with them, and even gave us an option to disable them. There's nothing unethical about it, because the damage done is less than the good that it accomplishes for the same people who it annoys, and so far it looks to Chris to be the best feasible option.
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J. Dunlap wrote: He knows that most us would rather be annoyed by the IntelliTxt ads than lose the site.
Does he? Or do most of the "members" turn them off, which does nothing for the revenue situation (since, I presume, the advertisers pay per view).
It just amazes me that someone (like Chris) who is in the "article publishing" business would find such a solution palatable. Or wise - making one's product "annoying" is generally not considered a good business decision.
The unethical nature of the act becomes apparent if one agrees that authority and influence imply responsibility. Young, impressionable programmers on this site look up to Chris, and he therefore has the responsibility to be a good example to them. Some of these young people will go on to design systems for others: Will they recommend clean, simple designs, or "annoying" (but expedient) ones?
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if it annoys some so much there must be a cost to disable it which members have to pay 
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The Grand Negus wrote: Or do most of the "members" turn them off
Maybe they do. At least there's the option. But also consider the fact that to be able to turn them off, you have to be a member in the first place. And my guess is that a considerable portion (maybe even more than 50%) of the bandwidth is requested by non-members.
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Ashley van Gerven wrote: Maybe they do. At least there's the option. But also consider the fact that to be able to turn them off, you have to be a member in the first place. And my guess is that a considerable portion (maybe even more than 50%) of the bandwidth is requested by non-members.
Even worse! What kind of tasteless person would want a non-member to be exposed to IntelliTXT in the articles? Might as well put up a banner ad that says, "Our articles are ugly and hard to read! Join us!"
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Please, give it a rest. You are worse than a Jehova's Witness.
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