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Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Paul Watson21-Oct-02 22:17 Paul Watson 21-Oct-02 22:17  Daniel Turini wrote: You can't, because it's a forward-only cursor. I know, was hoping someone had some trick up their sleave Daniel Turini wrote: Since this will only copy object references, not the actual values, it's very fast. Normally much, much faster than a SQL count. Great idea, thanks Daniel. Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 1:43 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 1:43  If you had used an SQL COUNT() function before you retrieved the it probably wouldn't be accurate either (atleast not in a multiuser enviornment), unless it's run in a serializable transaction. The SqlDataReader streams the data and will reflect all the changes in the database until the data has passed through the reader. So records could easily be added or deleted after the count was issued and while the reader is processing. Morty Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Daniel Turini22-Oct-02 1:45 Daniel Turini 22-Oct-02 1:45  Morten Abrahamsen wrote: If you had used an SQL COUNT() function before you retrieved the it probably wouldn't be accurate either (atleast not in a multiuser enviornment), unless it's run in a serializable transaction. Nice point Morten Abrahamsen wrote: The SqlDataReader streams the data and will reflect all the changes in the database until the data has passed through the reader. So records could easily be added or deleted after the count was issued and while the reader is processing. This is not true: The .NET framework does not provides support for server-side cursors, only client-side cursors. This way, only deleted records would be noticed by SqlDataReader. Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 1:58 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 1:58  What do you base this on ? AFAIK, the data is streamed directly from the server, and even though it doesn't utilize server-side cursors it doesn't precalculate the entire dataset (it's streamed ... standard SQL Server dataset processing...). So if records are appended during the read it should be reflected. However I could be wrong, so if you have any docs / references please post them .NET SDK: Changes made to a resultset by another process or thread while data is being read may be visible to the user of the SqlDataReader. However, the precise behavior is timing dependent. Morty Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Daniel Turini22-Oct-02 2:14 Daniel Turini 22-Oct-02 2:14  You may be right: I'm sure the SqlDataReader is a client-side cursor (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vsent7/html/dvconChoosingRightDataAccessTechnology.asp[^]) but the rest was a conclusion of mine... Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 2:23 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 2:23  Well... the SqlDataReader is by no means a client side cursor... it's simply a TDS parser. That's what the dataset is for Would be cool to check out the theory though... (how much locking does the TDS generator really support...) but as usual, I would probably never find the time. Morty Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Daniel Turini22-Oct-02 2:26 Daniel Turini 22-Oct-02 2:26  Morten Abrahamsen wrote: Well... the SqlDataReader is by no means a client side cursor... it's simply a TDS parser. That's what the dataset is for Well, if it is a TDS parser it should be pretty fast! I think you're right, but some Anakrino hacking may solve this issue Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 2:40 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 2:40  Hehe... been there However, this is not an issue dependant on the .NET SQL Client layer. It's a question of how the SQL Server handles standard query processing. If you issue a select query with a 100.000 record resultset, it would be returned as a datastream (TDS) to the client. I would think that if there is no isolation (tx) there would just be a read lock on the current row (or index key) and not on the table, so records could easily be added or deleted. So if I'm correct the SQL Server would just read the data page by page and never precalculate the total amount and lock it. Hence the "imagined resultset" could be radically (add/delete) changed during the processing (which could take time), and a prior Count would be useless. Just my 2c Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Daniel Turini22-Oct-02 2:51 Daniel Turini 22-Oct-02 2:51  I deduced the inserts would not be visible and deletes would by this: what would happen with a forward only cursor if I do a SELECT ... ORDER BY table_field and someone inserts data before my current cursor position? Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Getting the row count from a SQLDataReader Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 8:19 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 8:19  I agree. If you do an order by and that order by is not the clustered index SQL Server would have to preprocess the entire dataset. (meaning the keys .. not necessarily the data). However, it would be interesting to see what happens if you don't use a postprocessing instruction. (ORDER BY, GROUP BY, UNION, DISTINCT etc) Morty Problem with Composite Attribute in access tongc20-Oct-02 20:56 tongc 20-Oct-02 20:56  Hi I have the following table schema Order(orderID, orderDate, creditCardNo, etc.....) OrderedItem(OrderID(pk), ProductID(pk) ) Product(productId, productName ....etc.._ In access, when i delete the product from the Product table, if it is associated with a particular OrderedItem then i can not delete it, else i will be able to delete it. However, I want to set it to ON DELETE SET NULL the ProductID in the OrderedItem How will i do it? Thanks Retrieving Exchange Information Anonymous20-Oct-02 18:39 Anonymous 20-Oct-02 18:39  Hi, I am trying to access password and aliases or for that matter every thing related to microsoft exchange users i am able to retrieve only usernames using mapi.session object, Please help in retrieving other things if any body has code plesae post it here. I have tried using ADSI also. Thanks, Amit Gupta Re: Retrieving Exchange Information Morten Abrahamsen22-Oct-02 1:59 Morten Abrahamsen 22-Oct-02 1:59  I would be very surprised if you were able to retrieve the user password using ANY form of API Can I query an XML file with SQL? Marc Clifton20-Oct-02 14:35 Marc Clifton 20-Oct-02 14:35  I'd like to query and XML file with an SQL statement. Can this be done, or do I have to use XPath stuff? I've been perusing all sorts of CP code and MSDN stuff, and I can't seem to find an example of this, but I can't seem to find something that says I can't do this either. Also, can the queries consist of a table join? Thanks, Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Re: Can I query an XML file with SQL? Nick Parker20-Oct-02 16:21 Nick Parker 20-Oct-02 16:21  Marc Clifton wrote: Can this be done, or do I have to use XPath stuff? I believe you have to use XPath, however SQL Server can return your "recordset" as an XML document. If that is any help to you. Nick Parker The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes. - Winston Churchill Re: Can I query an XML file with SQL? Daniel Turini20-Oct-02 22:35 Daniel Turini 20-Oct-02 22:35  In SQL Server 2000, sort of, you'd better look at this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/xmlsql/ac_openxml_94mk.asp[^] Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Can I query an XML file with SQL? Nick Parker21-Oct-02 1:50 Nick Parker 21-Oct-02 1:50  Daniel Turini wrote: you'd better look at this: And this, an example: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/tsqlref/ts_oa-oz_5c89.asp[^] Nick Parker The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes. - Winston Churchill Create table Mazdak20-Oct-02 9:17 Mazdak 20-Oct-02 9:17  Is it possible create table WITH MY PROGRAM useing ADO.NET? Mazy "If I go crazy then will you still Call me Superman If I’m alive and well, will you be There holding my hand I’ll keep you by my side with My superhuman might Kryptonite"Kryptonite-3 Doors Down Re: Create table Vagif Abilov20-Oct-02 9:21 Vagif Abilov 20-Oct-02 9:21  Yes Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway Hex is for sissies. Real men use binary. And the most hardcore types use only zeros - uppercase zeros and lowercase zeros. Tomasz Sowinski Re: Create table David Salter21-Oct-02 10:04 David Salter 21-Oct-02 10:04  Yes, the easiest way is to issue a "CREATE TABLE ..." command Dave. Re: $60 to the PayPal account of the first person who... Daniel Turini18-Oct-02 22:34 Daniel Turini 18-Oct-02 22:34  dougieb wrote: An extra $20 if you add parameters for 'first record to return from set', 'how many to return from set' Save your $20 bucks and put a SELECT TOP X, where X is the record #. No one will be able to give you a working solution without the tables. All you'll get is untested queries, and probably none will work and all of them will be slow. Or, if you want, buy me a Amazon certificate. Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: Winner dougieb20-Oct-02 18:25 dougieb 20-Oct-02 18:25  I had a correct answer, so I tried to delete the thread as not to bug anyone else, but to no avail. Thank you. Re: $60 to the PayPal account of the first person who... Daniel Turini19-Oct-02 8:29 Daniel Turini 19-Oct-02 8:29  dougieb wrote: As for the absence of tables, I'm pretty sure that generic tables could be made for testing purposes, or I figured that there would be some puzzle enthusiast who would just redo the syntax. All I can say is good luck Q261186 - Computer Randomly Plays Classical Music Re: $60 to the PayPal account of the first person who... Vagif Abilov20-Oct-02 9:27 Vagif Abilov 20-Oct-02 9:27  I guess for a guy who's going to earn $60 it will be quite helpful to know data layout (tables, columns, column types, indices). Or do you think $60 should cover all guessing work too? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway Hex is for sissies. Real men use binary. And the most hardcore types use only zeros - uppercase zeros and lowercase zeros. Tomasz Sowinski Registering new SQL Server Robby18-Oct-02 3:57 Robby 18-Oct-02 3:57  This is my first run with SQL Server 2000. I have the server setup on my network, but when I go to "Register New Server" within Enterprise Agent, it's not listed. It's listed in the Win2k ODBC Admin tools (where you setup DSN's), but not within Enterprise Agent. There is a server showing up, but it is not mine. There are about 30 or so SQL server's out there (which, again, are listed where you setup ODBC in Win2K), but only one of these are showing up with I go to register a new server. What are some of the possible problems? I have verified protocol setup of TCP/IP for both server and client. Any help is appreciated!

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