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Well,
The Optimiser has always worked well for me over the last 20 years. When in doubt, you can always switch all optimisation off.
I remember the DOS days of more than 30 years ago where we wrote in Assembly, and we had a Friday afternoon party for someone saving 100 bytes or more in the final target, by writing smarter code by hand. These days are thankfully gone.
Optimisation is typically switched off for Debug Builds. If you could debug your code at all, even using assembly, it is still unlikely that the optimisation has anything to do with it. If the optimizer had a bug in it, there would soon be a worldwide outcry.
The likelihood is that you wrote suspect code. I cannot judge that until I see the offending code.
Now, rest assured, and learn this from an old timer. I have often banged my head against the wall about coding issues. Blamed the Compiler, Blamed Windows, etc. In the end, on calm review and reflection, it has always turned out to be a 'misconception' somewhere in the process, solely conceived on my behalf.
If your code works in Debug, but not Retail mode, there are several articles on the internet, about 'Surviving the Release Mode'
Regards and Sympathy,
Bram van Kampen
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Hi,
I have ended up in somewhat of a DLL Hell of my own making. In order to resolve this, I have started to write a Tool with view to provide dumps of Imports and Exports. A good starting point was given by Matt Pietreck, in his file PEIMX.C. It works as a Comandline tool, which is not realy convenient. I wrote a simple wrapper in the form of a Dlg based App, where I can specify the Source and Target Files. No problem with that at all. Worked a Dream for Imports, however, export functions are more elusive. Matt makes me look for a section marked '.edata' however, no such section appears to exist in any dll that I can find.
I have the following sections: .text .rdata .data .idata and .reloc I have opened up kernel32.dll, and built my own Test.dll, to no avail,no section marked '.edata'.
Well Bram, I can hear you all say:
"Goto <winnt.h>, where you will somwhere past halfway down, the following:-
IMAGE_DIRECTORY_ENTRY_EXPORT, and IMAGE_OPTIONAL_HEADER.DataDirectory[IMAGE_NUMBEROF_DIRECTORY_ENTRIES].
Go Back to your PE Header, do your arithmetic (Apply a Delta) to compensate for mapping the file differently than that 'LoadLibrary()' does (same as Matt does) and get it that way."
Tried that too, still to no avail. During the debugging I got the impression that Kernel32 has no exports whatsoever. However, the Imports (on the Second Entry, IMAGE_OPTIONAL_HEADER.DataDirectory[1]) are readily reached with a Delta of 0. (that represents the Import Data)
Matt is an Author of international repute, and a Microsoft MVP. What is going wrong here.
Now, in case anyone comments about 64 bit, this code is written and tested in 32 bit Windows XP. This should not really be a question either, seeing that I can retrieve all Import functions.
Because of the size involved, I have just included two snippets.
Nr1 is how our Matt tried to find named sections. Nr2 is how I try to find the relevant section via
the PE optional Header.
Snippet 1. Written by Matt,
if( pNTH->Signature == IMAGE_NT_SIGNATURE ) {
pSH = ( PIMAGE_SECTION_HEADER ) ( ( DWORD )pNTH +
sizeof( IMAGE_NT_HEADERS ) );
for( i = 0;
i < pNTH->FileHeader.NumberOfSections;
i++ )
{
if( strcmp( pSH[ i ].Name, ".idata" ) == 0 )
{
}
else
if( strcmp( pSH[ i ].Name, ".edata" ) == 0 )
{
}
_getch(); }
else printf("Not a PE-Header");
The second snippet is my modification to look for the section by RVA, using the values in <winnt.h>.
The code is also encapsulated in a class, so that we can analyse and compare a large amount of dll's.
<pre>
PIMAGE_DATA_DIRECTORY pDataDirectory=m_pNTH->OptionalHeader.DataDirectory;
PIMAGE_DATA_DIRECTORY pImportData=pDataDirectory+IMAGE_DIRECTORY_ENTRY_IMPORT;
PIMAGE_DATA_DIRECTORY pExportData=pDataDirectory+IMAGE_DIRECTORY_ENTRY_EXPORT;
m_pImportDirectory=m_pExportDirectory=m_pResourceDirectory=NULL;
int Offset=m_pDH->e_lfanew+sizeof(IMAGE_NT_HEADERS);
PIMAGE_SECTION_HEADER pBase=(PIMAGE_SECTION_HEADER)(m_pBuffer+Offset);
int i;
for( i = 0;
i < m_pNTH->FileHeader.NumberOfSections;
i++ )
{
CString SectionName=m_pSH[i].Name;// Just for Debugging, to see where we are.
if(m_pSH[ i ].VirtualAddress==0)continue;
if(m_pSH[ i ].VirtualAddress==pImportData->VirtualAddress){
if(m_pImportDirectory!=NULL){
m_sErrorString="Not a Valid Executable File: Contains More than One Import Directories";
m_nErrNo=-1;
return false;
}
m_pImportDirectory=m_pSH+i;
continue;
}
if(m_pSH[ i ].VirtualAddress==pExportData->VirtualAddress){
if(m_pExportDirectory!=NULL){
m_sErrorString="Not a Valid Executable File: Contains More than One Export Directories";
m_nErrNo=-1;
return false;
}
m_pExportDirectory=m_pSH+i;
continue;
}
}
Apologies if this is badly formatted. My editor appears to put in tags at will, which do not appear in the 'Edit' window. (So, I cannot remove them).
Anyways, you can get the gist.
Anyone any idea of what is happening here?
Regards.
Bram van Kampen
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There is no .edata section it has not been around since it was dropped a long time ago .... Old article????
In vino veritas
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Thanks Leon,
Well, it is old indeed. The disc came in a book I bought in 1998. Having said that, for compatibility reasons, one does not expect Microsoft to change very much in one of the pillars of the NT technology, the format of the PE File. Seeing that Windows 10 still executes applications with the '.edata' section present, the export data in the newer version must be stored at :
DataDirectory[0].VirtualAddress
(It is what I presume that 'GetProcAddress()' uses).
This must then be an RVA, Otherwise Old Applications would break, which is something I have not seen happening. Thus, the export data is no longer afforded a section, but is stored at a location following the PE header.
Would you per chance have a link to an article where I can get more information.
Thanks Again
Bram van Kampen
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Bram van Kampen wrote: "Goto <winnt.h>, where you will somwhere past halfway down, the following:-
IMAGE_DIRECTORY_ENTRY_EXPORT, and IMAGE_OPTIONAL_HEADER.DataDirectory[IMAGE_NUMBEROF_DIRECTORY_ENTRIES].
Go Back to your PE Header, do your arithmetic (Apply a Delta) to compensate for mapping the file differently than that 'LoadLibrary()' does (same as Matt does) and get it that way."
Yes, basically that. Looking for section names is not that useful, there are some conventions but in the end the name is meaningless. To make matters worse, the current convention is putting the import and export directories in .rdata.
Anyway something that catches my attention is that this:
m_pSH[ i ].VirtualAddress==pExportData->VirtualAddress
Is wrong, because the export directory does not have to be at the start of a section, it could be (and typically is) somewhere in the middle of a section. So you should test whether the section contains the virtual address of the export directory.
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Thanks Harrold,
Well,
m_pSH[ i ].VirtualAddress==pExportData->VirtualAddress
seems to work well with resources and import data. That does not mean that it is correct of course.
Good to know that there are still people about like me who are interested in the nuts and bolts. I see too many 'IT Engineers' with high degrees in C# and other synthetic languages, who are neither interested, nor have a notion of how the machine ultimately works.
By the way, would you have a link to an article about these latest versions of PE Files. I will also, in time be interested in viewing and displaying Resources, and into drilling into Obj en Lib Files. Matt Pietreck left that always as a minor issue, stating that that was all organised in 'Much the same way'. The devil is in the Detail in these things.
Thanks for your contribution 
Bram van Kampen
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Normally it would work for resources, because they're often their own section .rsrc, though they could be anywhere (even outside of any section).
Bram van Kampen wrote: By the way, would you have a link to an article about these latest versions of PE Files.
That's not really going to work, because the problem is not so much a version difference, but some made-up non-binding conventions - apparently they changed, they're also not exactly consistent across different linkers. I don't think that's really important though, it was always the case that the only reliable thing is following the RVAs from the data directory list in the NT header. Section names don't mean anything, in fact stuff can be outside of any section, then there isn't even a name..
There's something else I can link to that may be interesting, namely this list of weird things you can do with PE files[^], it's pretty wild what you can get away with in the PE format.
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Hi,
Well I agree that section names are meaningless. and that different Compilers and Linkers have their own ways and means.
However, there must be documentation about what
Kernel32::LoadLibrary(...}; and
Kernel32::GetProcAddress(...) expect a PE File to look like, and what it natively expects. It is that sort of documentation that I am after.
The Section Table still serves a useful purpose. The PE File is not a memory image of the loaded executable. Trivial areas, such as the BSS, are typically left out of the File, but included in the memory image. The Section table informs the loader where to load each section, irrespective of the Name. The User (Program Writer) may also include Zero Set named sections of interest, for instance an unlimited number of named data sections which are shared between instances (Ouch..., but apparently Allowed). After this loading the Data Directory List points indeed to the correct RVA for each item. The thing is here too, that if something is allowed by the specification, however daft, some one some where in the world may just try that at some time.
So, in essence when we get an RVA from the data directory, it appears that we have to decide whether the RVA points into a section,(in which case we need an adjustment to compensate for the loading position vs file position) or, it is an RVA into the File. To muddy the waters further, we may have absolute or relative addressing in a File. In the former case, a relocation may be applied to the RVA. To muddy it further again, DllMain() may modify a lot of daft things.
I will probably end up using LoadLibrary() to dig deeper, but, at least as a first sanity check, I need to load the file manually, if for no other reason as to investigate why for instance LoadLibrary() fails on a PE File.
Afterall, the purpose of the tool I'm trying to write is not to show that everything is working perfectly, it is to provide a rich environment in which to take things apart to get to the bottom of a problem.
Friendly thanks for your reply,
Bram van Kampen
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Here's some documentation from microsoft: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?linkid=84140
But it doesn't really go into the corner cases. It's more focused on documenting how they think the PE format should be used than on documenting just what sort of insanity is actually accepted by the loader (which of course varies per version of windows). As far as I know MS doesn't even document that, I've only seen it in places such as corkami's github and places that talk about analysis of malware. For example, sections can actually overlap each other in virtual space (wat), with sections that are later in the section table apparently just overwriting the mapping created for an earlier section that extends further than where the later section begins - MS does not even seem to acknowledge that such a thing is possible.
Here's an other description of the PE format by corkami, including a lot of useful practical notes (or gory details..) and references to the POCs in the list I linked before: docs/PE.md at master · corkami/docs · GitHub
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Well Richard,
Thanks for the links. However, it leads either to Old Documentation (1999), or CE formats.
I have the Old Formats already, via the books of Matt Pietrek. Other persons have also contributed, and I have now written a suite of functions that extract imports and exports. The next step is to extract and show resources. Matt Pietrek found that too trivial an issue to pass any remarks on. I suppose it wil take a bit more hard slogging.
Regards
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Well Richard,
Thanks again.
I am avoiding LoadLibrary(..), EnumerateResources(..), LoadResource()and similar kernel functions, because I am trying to write a tool that can analyse what went wrong where any of these kernel functions fail. The Kernel functions on an end user computer do not allow for debugging there and then.
Download WHDC White Papers and Documentation from Official Microsoft Download Center looks interesting, but, points me to a site where after selecting Download, I get a Picture Page, prompting me to select a Download, but no way of selecting anything.
Very, Very Interested to get a view of this document.
Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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Bram van Kampen wrote: LoadResource()and similar kernel functions
They are nothing to do with the kernel, but part of the Windows API.
If you click your mouse to the left of the document name on the picture page until a sort of square appears, you then get the Next button lighting up so the download works. Took me a couple of seconds to figure out.
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Well,
I Agree that some of the mentioned functions are actually part of the Windows API. Nevertheless, I still want to load a PE File and analyse it on my own terms for my stated reasons. By the way, LoadLibrary() is definitely a Kernel function (in as my Program shows, Kernel32.dll).
When clicking the Download button on the MS Website, I get a screen which states that I have No File selected for downloading.
(Download Summary:
You have not selected any file(s) to download. Total Size=0)
I have a List:
CIDPrintDev.docx 46 KB
32-64bit_install.docx 47 KB
OS_Desc_Ext_Prop.zip 144 KB
pecoff.docx 206 KB
Left clicking anywhere gives me the choice of Select All, or, Print All. The latter just prints this page with the list.
The site does not allow me to select the 'pecoff.docx' in any way whatsoever.
Spent most of last Saturday and Sunday on trying, Don't understand what is wrong.
Could you perhaps send it to me by email?
Regards
Bram van Kampen
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If you send me a direct message via the Email link below I can send you the file.
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Hi
I have a derived Dialog. There is a member a rich edit object. I populate the rich edit
from a file. In the INITDIALOG I open the file, to do the I/O I use CStdioFile.
The call back procedure is not part of an Object
So for both callback proc (Reading the file) and the CDoalog Opening it.
To both have access to the CStdioFile object, I declare the pointer to it not any
Class, but Global
The code works but maybe I shouldn't be doing it this way
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Is there a question in here? Are you wanting to know if you should use a member variable vs. a global variable?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Let me ask it a different way does or rather should the stream in proc be a member of a class ?
Thanks
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ForNow wrote: should the stream in proc be a member of a class ?
It's not required. As long as it has this signature, it won't matter.
Now depending on what you want to do with the data sent to the callback function would better determine if you needed to make it a stand-alone function, or a static member of a class.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Ok thanks the data just displays storage
Thanks
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Does anyone have example source code for VC6++ that will declare a ikspropertset variable and
make a call to a device (like a camera) using this variable to change something on the interface.
I have a camera running under a vendor's driver on VC6 and I want to change a parameter on the camera IC that is not normally accessible. They kindly supplied me with an unsupported low level call
HRESULT SetRegisterValue( IKsPropertySet& ksps, uint16_t addr, uint16_t value )
I have added
#include <windows.h>
#include <ks.h>
#include <ksproxy.h>
to the code but have trouble when trying to define the ksps structure.
If I could read a short working example I think this could help.
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Thanks I saw that but could not find any sample code I could compile there
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Maybe you need to write it.
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