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...as the language for teaching newcomers? That what they did at my daughter's school...
She asked me if it is a good one - I told it is, to not to confuse her, but to be honest I'm not sure of it entirely...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I have no problem with the basic language (it's similar to Java), but recent changes appear to be mostly syntactic sugar. If I were teaching the language, I would leave those out until the students were competent in the basics.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Was thinking exactly about that - how to build the lessons...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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It's possible to set the C# language version on the project, version 7.0 should provide a good baseline for students.
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I use LangVersion 3, I'd still with that.
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Seems like a reasonable choice to me, comparable or better compared to common alternatives (Java or C++).
As long as it gets taught in "C-like C# first, fancy things after" kind of order, and doesn't immediately start to confuse with too much "magic".
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I used it to teach programming to an Art Major (female), and to both my boys that have mathematical minds.
All 3 are developers now and do very well in several other languages.
The result was that they learned well what they should and should not do in programming because it really takes away (C# does) the good-programmer responsibility of not doing stupid stuff like accessing linked lists with modify before addressing the possibility of collisions.
Having said that, I think the basis and the simple things need to be learned first, not matter what the language.
Beginning with concepts that would allow the student translate their programming logic to any other language is paramount to their formation.
My two bits.
Tony G.
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I'd say yes - it makes pretty sure the code works before it lets it run (unlike Python), it starts simple, but builds to some incredible power (unlike PHP), and it's a real language (unlike VB).
The error messages and the IDE itself are second to none, and the integrated debugging support is worth it's weight in gold for a beginner.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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I hope they will learn how to use that debugger - I've seen courses where there was not a word about it...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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Show her yourself - she'll spread it round the class ... and maybe the teacher will learn something! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Ahhh memories of 'learning' BBC basic and amazing the Teacher with the trance on or tr. on command... 
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She already has some problems to accept authority of teachers - I would not ride that horse if not necessary... 
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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If a so-called teacher doesn't know their subject, they deserve contempt. No one, teachers included, deserves respect merely by virtue of their job title.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Do we live in the same country? 
(I used to be like her - it wasn't easy on me, so I decided to try and lead her on different paths...)
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Do we live in the same country?
Geographically - yes. 
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: (I used to be like her - it wasn't easy on me, so I decided to try and lead her on different paths...)
At age 58, I am like her. As you say, it's not easy, but all I need out of life is to support my family and enjoy my hobbies. World-conquering can wait.
My biggest problem is managers who see my age and experience, and want to "promote" me from specification, design, and coding to a managerial or a "people-facing" position. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: My biggest problem is managers who see my age and experience, and want to "promote" me from specification, design, and coding to a managerial or a "people-facing" position.
Hit them hard and run!!!
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I'm retired now but I love the tech so much that I avoided managerial positions like the plague. I have been a tech lead but that's as close as I went.
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I've worked hard to stay at the bottom of the corporate ladder.
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Absolutely: respect is something you earn, not deserve.
Being treated respectfully until you prove yourself unworthy is a different thing altogether.
Generally speaking, those who demand respect are the least worthy of it in my experience.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Please be more respectful 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Generally speaking, those who demand respect are the least worthy of it in my experience.
I'm reminded of a story from years ago--I think it was from someone here on CP - who was riding a subway, and witnessed some sort of altercation, where one of the guys involved at some point just blurted out, "show some respect, I'm a manager"...
Somehow that one always stuck with me
(I'll be impressed if someone manages to dig it up based on only that...)
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I grade on effort these days. I'd rather work with someone that is ignorant and trying hard than someone that knows everything and doesn't care.
As for the C# question - see Griff's first response, that's what I wish I had said.
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In the US, unlike in decades past when public education was actually education, teachers get education degrees. They are taught they can teach any subject because they are "educators". In a lot of STEM-type classes (like programming), it is quite likely one or more students know the subject matter better than the teacher.
Even back in the late 80s/early 90s when my oldest son was taking computer-oriented classes in high school, he knew the subject matter better than the teacher who was an "educator" but had no background in computer science.
In the days when dinosaurs walked the earth, at least my 9th grade science teacher had a BS in General Science and actually knew her subject. same for my math teachers (BS in Math).
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I got an entire degree in Computer Science and there wasn't a word about the debugger...
Bond
Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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Most of my education and early career were on VAX/VMS where the debugger is near impossible to use.
We did use Turbo Pascal a bit as well, which was nice.
Not having a usable debugger leads to a better developer with better debugging skills. A debugger is a course of last resort.
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