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British wit. I feel so much better now!
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Ooh dangerous talk Richard 
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Yes, but he was classed as a dinosaur even then ...
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If you think that's bad, you want to try setting them! 
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The next obvious line should be the kid making the observation that he already is...
And then what do you say to that...
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Drugs don't kill people, people kill people.
Or does that only apply to guns?
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Thank you sir to let this go trough. Still I think drugs kill 
modified 18-Apr-21 21:01pm.
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Some do, some don't.
Some drugs save lives - and even they can be fatal if taken incorrectly.
If you mean "illegal drugs kill" then again, some do, some don't.
I don't use, but I used to when I was young, and in copious quantities. You may have noticed that I am not dead ... probably.
"I think" is not proof: it's an opinion; a belief, nothing more.
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Illegal drugs sometimes kill mostly because they are illegal.
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Yep. And because of that, there is no quality control at all - and money means assholes will cut it with anything. There was a Brighton dealer (IIRC) back at the tail end of the 90's who was cutting his stuff with drain / toilet cleaner. People were losing arms after injecting it ...
That's why even though I don't use, I do support legalisation. Tax it, enforce the quality like any other consumer product, and move it from a black market to the forefront. Save a fortune in police activity, reduce organised crime, reduce the drain on hospitals. And the government turns a profit!
But ... there is too much money to be made for that to happen.
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Sometimes it's unexpectedly potent rather than being cut with dangerous things. Just as nasty.
I don't use it either but favour legalization. (Canadian is a mixture of British and American!)
The government could indeed make a "profit", just like highwaymen. The fools would likely set the taxes so high that organized crime would continue. Cigarettes are routinely smuggled into NYC because of the taxes on them, and there's still black-market marijuana in Canada, despite it having been legalized. I also recall hearing, many years ago, of dozens of tobacco-related murders in Germany, the result of criminals fighting for control of the black market.
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We should make them legal then, could save lives! 
Unless you're trying to say they are illegal mostly because they kill 
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Making them legal would definitely save lives. They don't kill any worse than alcohol or tobacco, often less so. They were legal until about 100 years ago and were made illegal (in the US) even without a constitutional amendment, which curiously was required for Prohibition (alcohol). Prohibition was a failure, creating black markets, financing organized crime, killing people with rotgut alcohol, creating disrespect for the law, and corrupting law enforcement. All the things that now happen with the insane War on Drugs. Not to mention drive-by shootings between gangs and so many non-violent users whose lives are ruined by time in prison.
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To add to your argument as an interesting parallel:
Prohibition gave birth to organized crime in the US - city/state scale, typically
Drug prohibition gave rise to the drug lords with private armies that are national and international in scope.
Both, because it was illegal and thus lucrative.
If you ever wanted to get rid of the drug lords, just legalize the drugs. Their days would be numbered and not require too many significant digits.
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There are so many arguments for legalization that it's easy to forget some of them. Others are SWAT teams raiding the wrong place, resulting in innocent people getting killed, and the abuse of asset forfeiture laws. It's the drug warriors, not users, who belong in prison.
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Greg Utas wrote: It's the drug warriors, not users, who belong in prison.
That type of logic can be used for any sort of "criminal activity" one wishes to engage in (or has associates who do) - basically, an over-reaction.
Your quote divides the domain into two groups when one can easily add the third essentially link in the chain of violence: the smugglers/dealers/producers. They make the entire scenario into a violent one as they're the ones fighting over the money and power.
Legalization is a good goal but do remember that the real crime is really done by criminals, not nice people. Both the enforcers and the users are, in a way, the victims here: the users because they're ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ed by everyone and the enforcers because they never know if that kid with a join has another 30 lids on him to sell and a gun to back it up.
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I should have clarified that by drug warriors, I meant legislators. The DEA and the like are just minions following orders, although that didn't always hold up as an excuse after WW2. I left out producers and sellers because they're culpable to the extent that they engage in violence or sell adulterated products.
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I thought the term was generally "cause and effect", not "effect and cause"..
The drugs are mostly illegal because they kill sometimes..
Although it was fun imagining an anthropomorphised drug saying to his friends "Well that's it I tells ya. I ain't got no damn choice. I'm through... They've outlawed me, so it be the killin' life fer me now"
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Whether drugs are legal is entirely political because, unadulterated, most of the illegal ones aren't as harmful as alcohol or tobacco. Remember Reefer Madness? Some illegal ones are addictive, but so are legal ones.
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I've got a kilo of coffee beans hidden away that I think she doesn't know about.
When it runs out in the morning, tackling the Canadian Rockies in nothing more than a pair of undies starts looking like the easier option.
Sure, she drinks it, but that stash is for me! (and a bonus morning of sanity)
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What do you need the Rockies for? Braving grizzly bears is nothing compared to drop bears!
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One Keith Richards[^] would beg to differ. 
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