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Nice 
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Mike Hankey wrote: necessarily
It indeed really depends on what you are doing, embedded has so many declinations ! If I take my example, I could not go without strong knowledge of physics and mathematics, but there are plenty of area where it is not required at all - it just has to work ! 
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The problem with 'Android development' and so, is what will you do the day after?
I'm in software development since 1997 (and on computers since 1984), and thing had changed.
What kept me in the field is that I had a solid - language and environment independent - base.
So while you can focus on a specific environment and let all go, I would say that you should spend a year and a half or two (assuming that degree is 6 semesters there just like here) to get your bases together, and than (probably knowing more about the possibilities) take up some more specific...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Yeah, I actually thought the same. I have to do some priorities so I don't know if it's a good idea to put few hours a day to learn Android development if those skills are not that general. Maybe its better to put that time into learning concurrency, or maybe Java Springboot, database or practice common algorithms. Thank's for the advice
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The bad news - you're stuck with meetings, mate! (And all the rest that goes with just having a job. See Dilbert[^] for what that's like).
In practice, the longer you're in the job the less hands-on programming you'll do. Even (in my experience) a "lead developer" spends more time filling out appraisals, interviewing recruits, writing reports and chasing up timesheets than they do writing - or even looking at - code. I "jumped ship" 25 years ago to go Freelance, so no more appraisals - just accounting, marketing, procurement, admin and more instead! 
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 That's sounds terrible... I hope you at least enjoy freelancing
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Yes, it was stressful at the time. Going freelance was by far the best (career) thing I ever did.
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Don't forget robotics, artificial vision and automation in general.
Having all the theory and then a couple of years in an engineering company will prepare you to get into a specialized market which at certain places it's well paid.
But even you get a job soon, finish your studies, you never know what will happen tomorrow, maybe it won't help you, but usually is better being more prepared than others.
But as others said, you should do what you like the most.
You will spend plenty of hours of your life doing that... you should try to do something you like. Or something is so well paid you can learn to tolerate it. Any other option is suicide.
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Thank's I appreciate your advice.
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What would be on your mind to ask advice from a site with 14 million+ members? By the time you finish reading the replies you are ripe for retirement. Just kidding!
From previous messages I see that you are kind of interested in IoT/automation/robotics side of the field but you are afraid you don't have the appropriate background. If you think you'll enjoy it, go for it. If you don't have fun, what's the point of doing it?
Also, if you go for these topics, plan to spend some time to learn some of the background. You may find that electronics and physics can be fun too. Otherwise you risk to be like a sailor that cannot swim. Swimming is not a required skill for sailors but it certainly gives you some confidence.
Have fun!
When you debug a program with an oscilloscope and you find a hardware bug with a test program, you're on top of the world
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Otherwise you risk to be like a sailor that cannot swim
Yeah, this is what I fear 
Mircea Neacsu wrote: When you debug a program with an oscilloscope and you find a hardware bug with a test program, you're on top of the world
I'm so ashemed but you made me google "oscilloscope"
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Quote: you made me google "oscilloscope"
You see, you are already learning new things and you haven't even get your feet wet
Mircea
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Unfortunately most of what you are being educated about is not relevant to any job you will find, and probably also outdated in 4 years.
Employers however will see your degree as a sign that you have the stamina to apply yourself and work through all the courses.
None of it matters to determine if you will be successful as a developer.
Find something that cannot easily be replaced with cheap overseas labor willing to work for $10/hr
The app store hay days are a decade behind us. The only app I would be willing to pay for is an app that stops all the forced updates. Few people make money.
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Thanks for a good advice  It takes many hours to learn Android development so I wanted to know if it's even worth the effort. Now I know that I should spend those hours learning something that is more important, maybe algorithms...
Member 12924312 wrote: The only app I would be willing to pay for is an app that stops all the forced updates.
 lol yeah me too
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Member 12924312 wrote: an app that stops all the forced updates
I'm of two minds on this topic, especially when it comes to Android.
The number of apps that are constantly updating themselves is ridiculous, even though I hardly ever install apps beyond what came with the device. That's annoying. I don't know why people complain about Patch Tuesday when patching on Android is pretty much an ongoing thing.
On the other hand, all my Android devices have become abandonware the instant I walked out of the store - the OS, in all cases, never got a single update, which means core components are still vulnerable to known exploits and will never be patched, so I wouldn't dare do any sort of important transaction on them. I have tablets running Android 2.1, 4.3, 4.4 and 6.0, all worthless today. I gave up on it after that, and I refuse to buy into "that fruit company".
Third-party ROMs are a no-go as all my Android-based devices are now too old to get any sort of support.
Where does that leave me? Given its history, I'd be pretty dumb continuing to throw more money at Android.
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I only buy new phone when the old one gets crashed. If I had gps in my car I would still use Nokia 3310 Windows updates are the same pain in the a... My computer goes slower and slower with each of those "fantastic" updates 
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Member 14971499 wrote: My computer goes slower and slower with each of those "fantastic" updates
You sure you haven't accidentally bought an Apple product?
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Member 14971499 wrote: I did survived my first semester and now I'm starting thinking about eventual career path, so that I structure my learning and don't waste my time on learning something I will not be good at or will not want to work with anyway
Since you're talking about survive a semester, I'm assuming you're attending a college or university instead of learning on your own.
Aren't they structuring your learning path and you have to follow what they've put together, and you're not free to pick and choose what you want to learn or not? Or are you claiming you have enough free time on your hands beyond what they're teaching so you can learn more on your own while still attending those courses? 'cuz that sure wasn't the case in my time...
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Mostly I don't attend the lectures, because I learn on my own with a long term goal so usualy I already know what it's taught and just go to exams to pass them and send my assignments. You now understand why I'm planning my future career path in second semester, because I don't want to learn my job on the job. I want to go to job knowing at least a half of what is required and ideally I want to find a job already in the last year of my college. I do college just for the paper, because I would never find a job after these three years with this knowledge. The lectures couldn't even prepare me for the my assignments so they surely will not prepare for my future job.
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Member 14971499 wrote: I don't want to learn my job on the job
It would be extremely unusual for you to walk into a job and you happen to already possess exactly the knowledge you need to do it from end to end. In this field, you can't know it all. If you can at least demonstrate you're comfortable with what everyone takes for granted, and starting from there, have an ability to quickly learn and apply your newfound knowledge, you'll do fine. Just don't expect to be an expert in something on your starting day.
Full disclaimer: This is purely my opinion. YMMV.
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Sometimes all you can do is get a better GPA than (most) others ... in which case, people come looking for you. They prefer to "mold" you versus taking on someone who already has "other ideas".
I got my first job by beating out others on a "Programmer Aptitude Test" ... which actually has nothing to do with programming.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Trying to anticipate the market never seems to work ... that "job" always seems to require more alphabet soup than you have.
I "remade" myself about 15 years ago by taking on about 10+ "mickey mouse" freelance jobs over a period of months that added up to an impressive resume in the end; all remote; UK, Netherlands, New Zealand, US, Serbia, etc.
(Probably wouldn't impress the EU, but it did seem to fascinate North Americans).
Resulted in a number of big contracts. (Long term job) "stability" is no longer a requirement.
For one big interview, when they asked me to "tell about myself" I started in about playing bad golf, etc. Got the job without ever touching on IT.
Being unconventional helps (sometimes).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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eenie miney moe - I hate to tell you this, but the only way you're going to figure out what you really want to do is to try something. After 40 years in the business, listen.
After 20 years in the business, you are going to reach "that point" where someone is paying you enough $$ to go off and do what you really want to do. I have been absolutely blessed the last 40 years. I get up in the morning and although the work is hard, I have fun. And they pay me.
Don't overthink it. You need a good grounding in the fundamentals, engineering teaches you how to solve problems, and learn to ask for help. Build a core group of people who challenge you, learn to get your feelings hurt. Those people you work with and have your back? Never betray them. We're not perfect, we all make mistakes, but people need to know they can depend on you. The rest will happen.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Software engineering is a really tough field 
I thought that I just hard work, and put more and more hours into learning and gradually become better and better, but my skills wll be soon irrelevant anyway so there is not even a chance to stand out from the crowd of the programmers becuase you I have to start over and over with new languages, frameworks and skills... 
My colleauge has lowest entrance requirements and I'm still avarage so I don't have anything to show on exams either except avarage knowledge