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Jeremy Falcon
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Two things, my friend.
- If they are using IE-something, it means this is a public machine nobody has cared to give maintenance, so it's always slow and people don't expect otherwise
- Using polyfills was supposed to be an interim solution, since as it's author suggested "if you removed the polyfill script, your code would continue to work, without any changes required in spite of the polyfill being removed" which, of course, is impossible in modern context. So most normal polyfillers like core-js and CSS3 PIE use lots of convolution to make this work.
With that in mind, the appropriate way to go is to avoid polyfills altogether and start creating more basic "shims", that will actually break the site if not found.
Since nobody has the time to do those, I would suggest you use a "critical path" approach.
Since you want your WEBSITE TO BE BROWSED BY EVERYONE, BUT NOT EVERYWHERE, just consider this. Target IE11 for essential pages that give an overview of your company and its services. Any deeper links are safe Chrome only, as they will be visited by the stakeholders on their own devices, including iOS and Android.
Remember that if a page is just tooo slow on the common machine, anybody can fire up a browser on its phone and get the missing content.
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Member 2896020 wrote: If they are using IE-something, it means this is a public machine nobody has cared to give maintenance, so it's always slow and people don't expect otherwise
That's a good point.
Member 2896020 wrote: Using polyfills was supposed to be an interim solution, since as it's author suggested "if you removed the polyfill script, your code would continue to work, without any changes required in spite of the polyfill being removed" which, of course, is impossible in modern context. So most normal polyfillers like core-js and CSS3 PIE use lots of convolution to make this work.
I get the technical pros and cons. Polyfills aren't 100% perfect though. It's just one example of many. Autoprefixer isn't perfect, etc. For instance, in some versions of IE11 flex shorthand can't be parsed but in other versions of IE11 it can be. Autoprefixer won't catch this. The issue I'm addressing is more from a "should I bother" perspective rather than the technical side. As in, if I support it... it needs to be included with testing, etc.
Member 2896020 wrote: Since nobody has the time to do those, I would suggest you use a "critical path" approach.
I disagree. If you know how to make a cross browser site for one-page you know how to do it for two pages. Like I said, the site is almost done and works with IE11. So I know what I'm doing... the question is... should I bother.
Member 2896020 wrote: Remember that if a page is just tooo slow on the common machine, anybody can fire up a browser on its phone and get the missing content.
That's a good point, but my target audience isn't technical. I can't assume they'll do that and it makes me look unprofessional, which I'm not.
Jeremy Falcon
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Member 2896020 wrote: If they are using IE-something, it means this is a public machine nobody has cared to give maintenance, so it's always slow and people don't expect otherwise
This is incorrect. A lot of folks continue to use IE, some for the simple reason it's the icon on their desktop. I know a few who use IE because it has (in their opinion) always worked best and they simply don't see a reason to change.
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Read this, and I think it will answer your question...
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-security-chief-ie-is-not-a-browser-so-stop-using-it-as-your-default/
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Yeah I saw something like that a while back. I reckon old habits are hard to break. Since the site is almost ready to go I'm just gonna roll with IE compatiblity right now. I mean it's done so why not. But this will be the last I do that for I promise. lol
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't support it. but I've been playing with the idea to pop a message at the top of the page for any older IE users: "This site does not support the obsolete IE 11, please use a different browser for these pages to show correctly."
I know of a few people who refuse to move on from classic IE, but targeting those 3% to keep them happy is just not worth it and adds way too much bulk to the project.
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What (paid for, but preferably not enterprise level) antivirus suite do people recommend? I used and recommended AVG for many years until I ran into a major interaction between it and Thunderbird which resulted in recurrent scrambling of my in-box. I went round in circles with their support people for quite a while before giving up on it.
I currently use McAfee's Total Protection, which would be fine (my wife has no problems with it on her systems) if it did not increasingly frequently flag utility programs I have written (mostly in VB.Net) as viruses! Initially this was just a problem with its 'real-time scanning' component, which had to be disabled when I was actively developing and debugging the programs, and the 'in use' version excluded from these scans. However, it has now taken to quarantining one of my utilities (which has been unchanged for months) on every 'scheduled scan'. I have, of course followed McAfee's guidance for reporting false positives, but I have received no response whatsoever, and, as I have noted, the problem is getting worse.
Is there a more reliable product in the same general price range?
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When it was time to renew McAfee, I just dropped it and now use Windows Defender. I read various reviews which said that it had improved to the point where paying for anti-virus software no longer made sense. However, I also run the premium version of Malwarebytes.
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My employer uses McAfee, and my group takes turns having it screw up, badly enough desktop support has to uninstall/reinstall. While it could be (and probably is) our configuration, McAfee has a been a problem in other locales as well.
Like Greg, I'm using Windows Defender and Malwarebytes. My only issue with Malwarebytes is that if they have a feud with another company, that company's software gets flagged as PUP.
The biggest help I see from MalwareBytes is that it flags iffy web sites. Like others, I'm careful about what sites I hit; that said, mistakes can (and are) made so the warnings help.
Another thought is to read the "best anti-virus of the year" articles that pop up. Before settling on my current configuration, I would read several of the current articles when my current anti-virus license is running out. I read the pros and cons, and switched (or not) to what appears to be the best choice.
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Exactly what I do as well. Have had no issues for years now! 
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I have been using Windows Defender for a number of years and it seems quite reliable.
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On my work Win10 I have only the built in Windows Security (and before that on Win7 the Windows Defender) - I can't remember the last time I had any problem with them... We also have a mail filter utilized by the mail provider...
At home - for increased security - I used Fedora
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Every single antivirus program today is little more that a placebo.
I run a tech shop where people bring their wonky machines to be rehabbed from stints on the internet.
It matters not whether it's got <insert antivirus=""> on it or not. There is malware on the machine and it gets cleaned using tech tools.
In the face of this, I run NO antivirus on my windows 7 pet machine, and watch my S%^t.
I never have a bit of malware even though I wish it were that easy when my pc starts to get fussy. It's always something else.
One thing I've learned. You can take say, and attorney's office with with say 10 people in it "working" away on computers. The same two yahoos will be the consistent problem children, while the other 8 run for years and years without complaint.
To that end use the windows defender that came with windows 10 and just do your work. Go outside to play, there are sharks on the web around every corner and you and John McAfee are powerless to stem the tide.
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Ron Anders wrote: I run NO antivirus on my windows 7 pet machine, and watch my S%^t.
I never have a bit of malware even though I wish it were that easy when my pc starts to get fussy. It's always something else.
Well - if you never look for them you won't find them. An excellent system.
Do you apply the same fine logic to fixing bugs in code?
These gentlemen seem like minded[^].
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Well - if you never look for them you won't find them. An excellent system.
"The Donald principle"
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Member 7989122 wrote: "The Donald principle"
It's all in 'the numbers' - keeping them down.
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Ron I have avoided asking this question but your comment has sparked my interest
I have a Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and I have been using windows defender with support no longer an option
I continue to get Security Updates daily for Windows Defender
Are these updates doing anything or is MS just sending nothing ?
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I think the video at this link covers it:
https:
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I use Kaspersky, partly because it's never given me a problem, and partly because it works on Android and PC so I don't have to think about it. It doesn't catch much, but I'm reasonably careful about what I get from where so mostly it doesn't have to.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I use the built in Windows defender and once a week run a scan using the free version of Malwarebytes.
I haven't had any viruses detected for a good few years now, but I think that's because the scammers have moved their efforts more towards phishing and phone call scams(you know, where "Michael" from Microsoft rings up and somehow you just know that his name is not Michael...).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I have used ESET NOD32 happily for fifteen years
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I've only used Windows Defender for many years and have never regretted it.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Just in case something gets through: Leave your C: drive to Windows, installed programs that can easily be reinstalled, temporary and log file. Keep all your user data on separate disks. Reinstalling Windows from scratch, with reformatting of the drive, has become very simple nowadays (at least compared to the days when Windows was delivered on 23 floppy disks  ). A utility to reinstall all you application - or rather: your selected applications - gets it all back, without all the crapware that creeps in more or less continously. Registry is cleaned up. Debris after old no longer used software disappears.
I've been fortunate and have never experinced neither ransomware nor destructive virus. I don't know which malware will attack all your disk, but I suspect that most of them go for your C: drive only. In any case: Keeping all your working files on a separate disk makes if far easier to set up a daily incremental backup, so that even if if D++ disks are attacked, they can be easily restored.
Yet, my best virus protection is not using the world'd best virus protection, but the way I use the PC. If I need a tool for a job, I never consider pirated software as an alternative to paying for an official version from a recognized vendor. When I receive dubious email offers, I delete it without opening it. When I receive email that appears to be legitimate: If the message was the slightest "unexpected", I verify all the links in the message before considering clicking it. On web pages on sites that I do not know for 100% sure to be reliable, before clicking any link, I verify that the link under the blue underlined text seems reasonable. I must admit that I am outright bored by triple X movies; I never search up that kind of stuff from any site. Of course I have switched on display of known file extensions; over the years I have seen a couple cases of files in disguise. If I am referred to some new tool, some new resource, I make a quick search on the net for other's evaluation of the resource, and if I decide to try out something, I always find the true home site of the tool; I never download anything from any site that has collected tools from all over "to give you all in one place" - you never know what has bee added.
In brief: I use my PC for a specific set of tasks. I have proper tools for those tasks. I use a recognized set of web sites as information resources.
This is probably why the last time I had a virus issue was with a boot sector virus on a 5.25" floppy.
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