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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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@Chris-Maunder @originalgriff
One "Alex Dunlop" is posting ... often multiple times per day ... questions whose topics wander all over the C# domain. i can't see a pattern in these questions.
These questions are usually the type of question that just looking up the docs for would resolve quickly. Many of them reveal ignorance of basic features of C#. I believe this poster has never studied the basics of the language and Framework.
The poster says he is using DevExpress software tools; i wonder if he is flooding their support forums with questions. i suspect he hasn't purchased the software.
imho:
1) something is fishy, here
2) since i believe the C# language forum is meant for "higher things" than just being a QA forum for newbies ... i think this type of frequent posting is inappropriate. in fact, in the past, i've seen similarly confused newbies forced off the QA forum for this type of pattern.
I do admire the patience with which some of CP's "brightest stars" (O'Hanlon, Griff, Richard D., Richard M., etc.) are responding to the (often inane) questions
... but, i suspect we are "being had:" is said poster actually learning anything ?
i don't see any "evolution" in the poster's skills in his recent questions.
What i do see is the value of this forum being degraded.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
modified 13-Aug-21 4:49am.
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Chris is "Chris-Maunder" not "chrismaunder" - you can find the atcode on the members home page as it doesn't necessarily match the username.
I know what you mean with Alex - he really doesn't seem to be learning much, if anything. And if he is, it's more by luck than judgement!
I think it's because he thinks there is a "short cut" to be a good developer, and if he hammers at it often enough the magical ability will descend upon him as if from on high - but he's not alone in that, I have a friend who has lived in London for 40 years and still can't cope with parallel parking (to the point where she just stops and gets the driver behind to do it for her).
But I don't feel that is anything we can really do something about - we have tried education, suggesting books and courses, pretty much everything short of calling him an idiot.
I would agree that he is learning the wrong lessons, and for his own personal growth he should stop and take stock of what he is doing, but there seems little chance of that until he decides he's "good enough" and proceeds to fail a dozen job interviews because he doesn't understand what he is doing, just how to solve a specific problem (generally pretty badly).
"You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" applies here, but I have no idea what we could or should do that we aren't. Banning or otherwise punishing him doesn't seem appropriate to me really...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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@Chris-Maunder
I always appreciate your thoughts, and reactions !
I interpret your comments to imply you agree with my hypothesis that this poster is not learning.
But, i disagree with what i perceive as your conclusion that "we" can't do anything about this pattern of behavior ... which i think is inappropriate for this forum ... in fact, inappropriate for any forum, here.
i also think that multiple down-votes on his questions is ... while perhaps a backdoor way to get rid of him and/or his questions ... is not constructive. In fact, imho, by tolerating this pattern we are reinforcing the poster's dependency, and unrealistic sense of entitlement.
Also, i think the value of the forum as a whole is degraded by tolerating such a pattern. Should all forum users have more relevant questions "submerged" by the spate of this poster's meandering ?
cheers, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Bill, While I do agree with what you are saying, I do not think that banning him would actually achieve anything useful, either for him or the forums. There are plenty like him who come here (and probably the other forums) thinking that development means cut and paste from Google, and get the experts to fix any errors. But we live in the (sometimes forlorn) hope that at least some of these people will actually follow our suggestions, and go and learn from the ground up.
ps. always good to read your comments and ideas.
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Hi, Richard,
While i do think "stopping the pattern" would be "good" for the forum, i actually had not thought of "banning" this poster.
i am thinking of direct confrontation: of multiple members telling said poster that they are not "working smart," now; and, showing him how to engage in learning, in using on-line resources, to find the often simple answers to his questions.
"Tough love," that says "you can learn, and, here's how;" not the passive (on our part) punishment of having posts removed by multiple anonymous down-votes. Shifting the focus from providing to enabling.
On the C# QA forum i'm not shy about confrontation: [^] ...
but, on the C# language forum ... when i see you and Pete and Griff, and others i respect, taking your time to give patient answers ...
i am hesitant; that hesitancy is, i guess, my motive for raising this issue ... here.
cheers, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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