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but are there other people/shops doing .NET development using just the .NET Framework SDK and not using Visual Studio .NET for the development? Cause, I am doing so right now to learn more about remoting and Web Services. So far it's been a pleasant surprise to work with even though I'm using command line tools to do everything. Kinda like as I get older, I'm reverting back to my childhood. 
Chris Meech
It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Christopher Duncan
I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright
I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez
We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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At the very least being able to use the compiler from the command line is a handy thing to know.
I was onsite once and had to make some tweaks to an ASP.NET app, only the client naturally did not have VS.NET handy. Took me awhile to figure it out but eventually I got CSC.exe working and from that day on I made sure all my co-workers who went on site could do it too.
I have not tried commandline WebService proxy generation though, that must be fun 
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Brian Welsch wrote:
"blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans.
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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Paul Watson wrote:
I have not tried commandline WebService proxy generation though, that must be fun
I'm about 1/2 way (I hope ) through getting things going. Depending upon whether I get called out to a client site, I hope to get things finished in another week or two. If I have the time after that I may try to publish it as an article.
Chris Meech
It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Christopher Duncan
I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright
I've been meaning to change my sig. Thanks! Alvaro Mendez
We're more like a hobbiest in a Home Depot drooling at all the shiny power tools, rather than a craftsman that makes the chair to an exacting level of comfort by measuring the customer's butt. Marc Clifton
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I use this for nearly all my projects, both C++ and C#. I've converted all but two of my existing c++ legacy apps from VS6 to 2003.
One I can't do because it is dependant on a static lib that only works with VS6. The other is one of my biggest apps and I don't really have time to do all the needed regression testing on it.
I used to hate VS.NET ide, but now it has grown on me and I don't like going back to VS6 anymore.
Michael
But you know when the truth is told,
That you can get what you want or you can just get old,
Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through.
When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel
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Same here. We switched to VS 2003, mostly because of the new standard-compliant C++ compiler and Standard C++ Library. It's so good to finally be able to use Loki and other template libraries 
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I prefer to the standard-compliant compiler of VC++ 2003 and the revised Standard Library, too. But all the other programmers in my company do not use "that many" features of ISO/IEC 14882, they just think VC++ 6 is enough for Windows programming. And another reason is, they modified the current project from an existing VC++6 project and don't want to pay too much efforts converting the project to VC++ 7.0 (7.1)...
Maxwell Chen
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Same here,
I just couldn't go back to VS6.0, even though VS.ne 2003 has a few annoying bugs.
JOOI what's the dependency in you static lib that only works with VS6? There's gotta be a way round it?
I am that is
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Norm Almond wrote:
JOOI what's the dependency in you static lib that only works with VS6? There's gotta be a way round it?
The link error we get is
error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl std::_Xran(void)" (?_Xran@std@@YAXXZ)
which I take to be an incompatability between the different STL's in VC6 and VS.NET. I've not looked into it too much, only to ask the lib provider for an updated version - which hasn't been forthcoming yet.
Michael
But you know when the truth is told,
That you can get what you want or you can just get old,
Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through.
When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel
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I thought this would have been an option 
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Whats this CListCtrl... have seen this for a long time here....
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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On surveys which had a textual option that could be entered, novice site users kept using it as a site search field. And they kept searching for CListCtrl. Its become a standing CP joke to always include it in any survey since then. 
Roger Allen - Sonork 100.10016
Roger Wright: Remember to buckle up, please, and encourage your friends to do the same. It's not just about saving your life, but saving the quality of life for those you may leave behind...
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;P
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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SPS wrote:
Whats this CListCtrl... have seen this for a long time here....
Currently it's a new .NET IDE. It is also a New Year's resolution[^], the extent of some people's programming capacities[^], and has even become a naming convention[^] for some. As a highly sought-after feature for PDA's[^], it is also one of the most valuable skillsets[^] for many jobs. Some even extend it's capability to encompass network[^]abilities. Interestingly enough, several people find the beloved CListCtrl as a viable and cost-effective backup power[^] source.
So as you can see, the CListCtrl is nothing short of an all-encompasing religious experience that cannot be explaind, one must experience the CListCtrl for him/her self.
~Nitron.
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That's it!
I nominate CListCtrl for President in 2004 (Hopefully CTreeCtrl will accept the nomination for Vice-President)!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
I nominate CListCtrl for President in 2004 (Hopefully CTreeCtrl will accept the nomination for Vice-President)!
Great. Now our entire government will become a BSOD. I wonder if that would be an improvement though. 
Todd Smith
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Nitron wrote:
an all-encompasing religious experience
Of course, fundamentalists eschew the decadent CListCtrl MFC class in favor of using the ::CreateWindow(...) and the ListView_* macros...
Software Zen: delete this;
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Sounds complicated and not very usefull :P
I prefer System.Windows.Forms.ListBox
Greetings....
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Nitron, we name you Keeper of CListCtrl, Keeper of the Eternal Flame Of CoughItIsNotFunnyAnymore and master of the CListCtrl Metabase.
I have also called your doctor. Just to be safe. It must have taken a good amount of time to get all those references...
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Brian Welsch wrote:
"blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans.
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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Paul Watson wrote:
Nitron, we name you Keeper of CListCtrl, Keeper of the Eternal Flame Of CoughItIsNotFunnyAnymore and master of the CListCtrl Metabase.
In my hand I hold two pills. Take the blue pill, and you will wake up and think everything about this CListCtrl was just a bad dream... Take the red pill and you will find out just how deep the CListCtrl goes...  ;P
~Nitron.
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I always seem to get a kick out of the discussion that CListCtrl brings up 
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I agree. CListCtrl is so.. 90's.
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I am perpetual, I keep the country clean.
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Sheesh you could have atleast upgraded the joke to .NET
Matt Newman
If you chose to continue this discussion, I am fully prepared to make you my bitch. I invite you to ask around, and you'll find out that I'm quite capable of doing so - John Simmons on Trolls
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