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Believe this tug-of-war for most untrustworthy would be between them! (Though Facebook might win as they were caught )
BTW, assumption here is 1: Least, 5: Most trustworthy (thats how I voted based on previous survey of similar sort 10 years back)
modified 10-Aug-20 6:08am.
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I have to say one thing about FecesBook: a lot of the personal information that can be gathered from them was posted there by the blithering idiots who don't give it a second thought.
Google: gmail tells you it will do whatever it wants with your email as a term of service. Not only the content, but the deduction of your entire social network based on email TO/FROM/CC data. Probably even more with BCC if you send it through them.
My biggest gripe with that is if I send email to gmail accounts they can build a profile on me even though I never agreed to their terms - like calling someone who's being legally wiretapped.
The worst breaches are done willingly and up front by jackass users. If they all didn't rush to agree to anything just to see the flashy colors on their screen (etc.) then it wouldn't be so.
Long ago, a comic strip Pogo had the following conclusion: "We have met the any and they are us".
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Google: gmail tells you it will do whatever it wants with your email as a term of service. Not only the content, but the deduction of your entire social network based on email TO/FROM/CC data. Probably even more with BCC if you send it through them.
Seems you read their terms and services. Hardly anyone does that. Google read your emails, profile you and even suggests what you generally write or have missed like an attachment. Google is almost everywhere (we cannot avoid it ) and they are collecting tonnes of data about us.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: The worst breaches are done willingly and up front by jackass users.
Does that mean you read each line of each software term n services. And if any of it is concerning, you stop right away? Let's say gmail has some term that is not agreeable then you wouldn't use it and find an alternative widely used email?
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Sandeep Mewara wrote: alternative widely used email? Why does it have to be widely used? It just has to be your email address. If a person has an internet account then their ISP probably gives them an email account to go with it. My ISP, at least, only retains deleted mail as long as legally required - and does not have a caveat to read it at their leisure.
Reading terms of service. Damn - this isn't even required for gmail as it's pretty widely known. Then immediately forgotten by most users.
They'd rather complain about a lack of privacy then go through the trouble of doing something about it. That is, in fact, what all of the data miners, great and small, rely upon. Lazy people. Stupid people. Crowd followers . . . life's cannon fodder.
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Yeah for email, probably yes. In general, there are limited good options and you have to choose one of them irrespective of terms n conditions.
It's difficult to guard data, someway you will be constrained and then it leads to feeling, 'how much can I do, its an effort wasted'.
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One thing I do is have unlimited email forwards (on several accounts) and an SMTP emailer I wrote in C++ some years ago.
Everyone has a different email address for use with me - somewhat harder to correlate my data with one another. Of course, there's always the mailing address for package delivery . . . .
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Well that would just mean you were able to salvage yourself somewhat from Google world but not everyone is as smart as you.
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Sandeep Mewara wrote: not everyone is as smart as you. I'd be the first to admit it, but as a humble evolutionary advancement I'll just say 'single minded'. However, I don't plan on starting an argument over this assertion . . .
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: However, I don't plan on starting an argument over this assertion . . .
Hey, nothing like that from my side. It's just, very few are able to restrict themselves but most are still into sharing their data (mostly willingly as you shared)
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In your part of the world you must be near the end of a long day - I was just messing around with the (obvious, justified and well deserved kudos on your part) that "not everyone is as smart" observation.
Someone has to put the "Awe" in Awesome !
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Lazy people. Stupid people. Crowd followers . Or the majority, those of us who just don't care if google knows I email somoene@somewhere.com.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Your is the reply I hear from many who basically claim to not give a damn.
My question to them is the same to you: "So, if you don't mind them reading your mail then you won't mind finding the letters in your postal mail box opened, either?"
To think one is different than another in its implications is delusional.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: finding the letters in your postal mail box opened, either?" First off, no I don't care about that.
However, your analogy fails. They don't read your emails. They parse them but no person is actually reading them. For your analogy to work it would be if the post office open your letters, scanned them into a database, then sealed them and mailed them to you.
But what is the threat? Can you quantify the threat?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Well - I'll count your reply as the usual BS because you haven't found your letters opened by - well - someone. What, after all, do you have to hide? At least, of course, until you find out someone's been looking. Email invasion doesn't leave a trace - so you fall in with the ranks of these three[^].
The bravado exhibited by someone who says they'd not scream while their feet are not yet in the fire.
As for 'the threat' ? I don't know if you can get this, but the term is "Dehumanizing" is a good start for you. For me, that matters. For you? Perhaps too late.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: usual BS because you haven't found your letters opened by - well - someone. How would you know that?
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: but the term is "Dehumanizing" You feel like you're not a human because someone else logged your email, didn't even read it, just logged it for future searching? That is YOUR problem, not the industries.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: For you? Perhaps too late. You know nothing about me, can't quantify or backup your statements, and then try to use juvenile insults. That's pathetic.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: That is YOUR problem, not the industries. You'll Feel Right At Home ![^]
ZurdoDev wrote: You know nothing about me
We all see your posts - we not only know something about you but (as another juvenile remark) more than a bit more than we'd have wished for.
Q.E.D.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: we not only know something about you I'd pay money to anyone that can accurately describe me.
So far, you owe me money. You are way off.
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ZurdoDev wrote: I'd pay money to anyone that can accurately describe me. I'll try for free.
Tiny Little Troll?
Where is the joke icon?
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Nelek wrote: Troll I have been accused of that many times before, but no, tis not true.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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You did notice the "where is the joke icon?" and the laughing, didn't you?
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I did.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Which is why I don't use gMail for anything other than what Google itself sends me.
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Same.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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I cannot believe anyone gave the government higher than a 1 in terms of trust.
The government will sell your data for a fast buck - don't care where you are this is true for every government, whatever its politics. Not only that they will will share it with each other.
Its not always true to be fair, the question you need to ask yourself is this: Do you pay your fair share of Tax or do you give members of the government free holidays in your luxury yacht?
If you answered Yes I do pay my fair share of tax, more-so even, then you are a minion and your data is for sale. If you answered No I regularly entertain the more important governments, royalty and other obscenely rich people then you are one of the ruling class and your data is secure. Incidentally if you are unsure you are a minion. Ordinary billionaires aren't rich enough you need lots of billions, and we need that to be in dollars or equivalent. This is how the world works. If you have a revolution all you do is elevate some new people into the ruling class to replace some (but almost never all) of those who were revolted against. If you change the government more conventionally all you do is replace those who serve the ruling class with another lot. Its really very simple, never, ever trust the government with your data. You can trust them to do some other stuff, you can probably even trust some governments to be fair and even handed with their lack of care over your data, but actually protecting it? Only for commercial purposes.
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