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CMD did used to be my goto (:eof) for build scripts. Then I realised I could just put the Win32 port of busybox (a single 600kB executable) in my project & use shell scripts and other Unix utilities instead. No more CMD for me...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Stuart Dootson wrote: CMD did used to be my goto (:eof) for build scripts
We've had automated builds for a long time. The initial version was a Windows service that ran a VBscript and a combination of batch files and applications. A long-term joke was that it accidentally spawned SkyNet occasionally.
The current version is a service written entirely in C#, which is much easier to debug and maintain.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Or even Korn shell, believe it or not 
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I don't think those are languages, but OS shells that use scripting languages.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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TNCaver wrote: I don't think those are languages, but OS shells that use scripting languages.
I do not quite understand the big difference. A language is a language, and after the survey there is no restriction in this regard!
Otherwise how about JS, SQL, PHP, etc. All scripting languages partly or completely. Right?
Something about which we often break our head:
"In the name of the Compiler, the Stack, and the Bug-Free Code. Amen."
(source unknown)
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A shell is an environment where you can run programs, OS commands, batch files, etc.
A language is the human-understandable language that performs tasks within an environment.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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TNCaver wrote: A shell is an environment where you can run programs, OS commands, batch files, etc.
I have to correct myself and try to eliminate any possible misunderstandings! When I quickly wrote the name Bash, I meant all the variations of Posix slang and not the one shell, Bash, Dash, or whatever, and I referred (as in the survey) only to the programming languages! To stay correct, PowerShell is both a shell and has its own language. So in terms of programming languages, PowerShell and all these posix slangs are nothing else.
Yes, of course. Although a shell is an environment in which everything runs, commands are executed, and the language is interpreted, but basically it is just like any other programming language. There is always a kind of environment in every programming language. Whether it's a compiler or a real-time interpreter, that's irrelevant. All have their own base library of commands and their own little sub-OS, so to speak.
That's why I personally see no real difference. Also, PowerShell has its modular library and its base cmdlets set. Thus, it is also a programming language and has its applications especially with the backing in the background by .NET.
Peace! 
Something about which we often break our head:
"In the name of the Compiler, the Stack, and the Bug-Free Code. Amen."
(source unknown)
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Gods I love bash.
I wrote a series of scripts (with only one small perl shim) to update and organize my digital media catalog using info from TVDB
it was pretty slick. Kept 2TB of media in line, organized and served up in nice structured form to my DLNA players
But it was a rube goldberg contraption of sorts. I suppose bash projects of any size wind up being that at some point or another
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I see many surveys on net showing Java is more used and liked than C#.
I am surprised seeing here that C# is most used language.
How is that?
Amit Joshi
Value of the value is valued only if its value is valued.
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Today you have to add Kotlin to the Java pool.
Currently, this makes 8 (!) uses more... mmmhhh... ok forget it 
And yes, I am a bit surprised too - when I think about the amount of android apps written every day. Hard to believe, everybody is running c#/xamarin and/or unity only.
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You know this is primarily a .Net forum right?
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ScottM1 wrote: You know this is primarily a .Net forum right?
No, I honestly didn't. What part of "Code Project Lounge" would imply that? Not that I'm complaining, but I too was surprised by the survey results.
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Yeah, I guess it isn't obvious but there are not many Java developers on Code Project. You'll see there are zero Java questions under quick answers.
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Hmmm, That's why C# is rated higher than JavaScript too.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Enterprises and businesses have to pay for Oracle Java updates now. Tons of them are switching or have already switched to other languages. Sure, folks can switch to OpenJDK but I think more are turning away wjere they can.
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I do use Java at work for somethings, but I'm sticking to version 8 of OpenJDK, it's nice and stable, and just works.
Also f*** Oracle in what they are doing to Java.
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How many of you use heavily the .NET framework with C# compared to C# with just the basic functionalities of .NET to make it work and other frameworks?
I don't like .NET due to horrible documentation, terrible implementation and obscene learning curve compared to anything else available but C# on its own is a simple language. Just wanted to know how far from the C# market I am now.
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What part of the framework? I know the depths and plumbing of WPF intimately. I knew winforms stuff when it was a wrapper for the win32 comctrls dll, haven't used it since 2005. I've used the OWIN web stuff, and i've used most of the utility stuff captured in the framework.
In general i've found the documentation pretty good, failing that i just use dotpeek to decompile the framework if i need to do anything really obscure.
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John Stewien wrote: failing that i just use dotpeek to decompile the framework if i need to do anything really obscure.
You don't even need to do that - MS published the source code several years ago, and provided it in a handy searchable format, complete with all comments: Reference Source[^]
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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den2k88 wrote: and obscene learning curve compared to anything else available
Funny, I have that reaction to just about everything except the .NET framework.
But to answer your question - heavily use the .NET framework along with C#. Though there are still significant parts I haven't ever dealt with ("need to know" and all that.)
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den2k88 wrote: horrible documentation
Hmm. I find that most documentation is wretched, but the .NET documentation doesn't seem to suck any more than any other. The biggest lack I've seen in the MS documentation are comprehensive, working examples. Many of the .NET code snippets are trivial and do not show the background work you need to do.den2k88 wrote: terrible implementation
Hmm2. How so? Even though I'm stuck using .NET 3.5, I've generally found that implementation to be stable.den2k88 wrote: obscene learning curve
C# the language was easy to learn, starting from a C/C++ background. The most surprising thing about C# and .NET was learning to not reinvent the wheel. Time after time I would start implementing some sort of plumbing, only to discover there was a .NET class for it.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I use html as a language 
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I am using dart for Flutter. It seems good enough.
Always Keep Smiling.
Yours Pankaj Nikam
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