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Re: Am, work as, get paid like afdotcn12-Jul-11 16:09 afdotcn 12-Jul-11 16:09  slave gets NULL Re: Am, work as, get paid like Fabio Franco13-Jul-11 3:13 Fabio Franco 13-Jul-11 3:13  Not really, the slave gets just enough to have a place to sleep and something to eat Re: Am, work as, get paid like Rob Grainger17-Jul-11 4:47 Rob Grainger 17-Jul-11 4:47  No, that's low paid work. A slave has no option - they do not have the choice to leave, a low paid worker may feel like a slave sometimes, but there is a world of difference in being able to exercise that right. Re: Am, work as, get paid like Fabio Franco18-Jul-11 8:15 Fabio Franco 18-Jul-11 8:15  Rob Grainger wrote: they do not have the choice to leave If I leave, I starve, so I also have no choice. And of course, I know I'm not a slave. My statement is not to be taken that seriously. It's all art. S Houghtelin11-Jul-11 8:04 S Houghtelin 11-Jul-11 8:04  Coding is like any other art form, there are beautiful works , there’s crap and there’s filth presented as art. My art is like stickmen on yellow post-its used like a flip book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_book[^] It was broke, so I fixed it. Craftsman Jeremy Hutchinson11-Jul-11 4:31 Jeremy Hutchinson 11-Jul-11 4:31  At first I chose "it depends", but after a bit of reflection I changed my vote to craftsmen. I realized it's not complexity or the ingenuity involved in the work I do on a day to day that makes me labor or craftsmen, it's the little things I do no matter the task. If I'm just doing the minimum work required to complete the task I'm labor, if I'm doing the extra little things to make the code run better, run faster, be more maintainable or be more extensible then I'm a craftsman. Re: Craftsman JOAT-MON11-Jul-11 7:54 JOAT-MON 11-Jul-11 7:54  Agreed...Craftsman/Laborer is reflective of how you work, not what you work on. You don't suddenly start doing shoddy welds because you are not working on a piece for a museum. I think it is the details and standards that make you a craftsman, not the job. Jack of all trades ~ Master of none. I have the need to get dirty AlexCode11-Jul-11 3:26 AlexCode 11-Jul-11 3:26  Despite my position on a project I just can't sit back and watch others do all the heavy lifting. In fact, the heavy lifting is usually what's cool to do, not the boring repetitive tasks all projects have. So, heather as a developer, team leader or project manager, I always have the need to get my hands dirty. Janitor Not Active11-Jul-11 2:41 Not Active 11-Jul-11 2:41  Cleaning up what comes from a$$holes I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt Re: Janitor W∴ Balboos, GHB11-Jul-11 2:45 W∴ Balboos, GHB 11-Jul-11 2:45  Mark Nischalke wrote: Cleaning up what comes from a$$holes Great comment; keep it up - sound's like you're really on a roll ! "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 Re: Janitor Peter Mulholland13-Jul-11 5:45 Peter Mulholland 13-Jul-11 5:45  Dude, janitor sounds good. I feel like the crapper. They just keep dumping more sh*t on me here. Pete Re: Janitor Gary R. Wheeler16-Jul-11 2:46 Gary R. Wheeler 16-Jul-11 2:46  The key is in the job title you use; mine is: "Deparmental Sh!t-Job Boy", or DSJB. I do all the crap jobs nobody else wants to do: I maintain our deparment server and administer our SourceSafe data bases(*). I write and maintain most of our in-house tools, our installers, and most of our engineering documentation. I'm also the "go to" guy for Windows and Visual Studio issues. Of course, this role is aside from my day job of doing the UI's for our products. The only sh!t-job I don't do is writing Engineering Change Orders (ECO's) for our releases. I do have some pride. (*) Yes, I said SourceSafe, and yes, data bases is plural. Software Zen: delete this; Something More Akin To: W∴ Balboos, GHB11-Jul-11 1:27 W∴ Balboos, GHB 11-Jul-11 1:27  Lucifer - Bringer of Light "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 Depends on the job OriginalGriff11-Jul-11 1:27 OriginalGriff 11-Jul-11 1:27  If I am making a BACON butty, I'm a Craftsman. If I am working with CLstCtrl, I'm a Labourer. Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant." I both an artiste and a slob Slacker00711-Jul-11 0:45 Slacker007 11-Jul-11 0:45  When I am given free reign on a certain section of the project then I am an Artiste and I must not be disturbed. However, when I wake up from my dream, I realize that I am nothing more than a lowly slob; chained to my cubicle of misery. ----------------------------- Just along for the ride. ----------------------------- Re: I both an artiste and a slob #realJSOP11-Jul-11 1:57 #realJSOP 11-Jul-11 1:57  What's really ironic is that the french word for prostitute is "artiste". ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 Re: I both an artiste and a slob Slacker00711-Jul-11 2:05 Slacker007 11-Jul-11 2:05  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: What's really ironic is that the french word for prostitute is "artiste". Even better. ----------------------------- Just along for the ride. ----------------------------- Re: I both an artiste and a slob RedSonja11-Jul-11 19:53 RedSonja 11-Jul-11 19:53  In the final year at university a mathematician told me engineers were scientists who prostitute their knowledge. He saw no irony in his becoming an accountant in the City after he graduated. ------------------<;,><------------------- Missing Options PompeyBoy311-Jul-11 0:08 PompeyBoy3 11-Jul-11 0:08  DogsBody. Scapegoat. Excess Baggage carrier. Miracle Worker. IT support worker. Out of Hours support for employees home 'computer-related' problems (How can I uninstall Norton? etc) Please add more below. Re: Missing Options StM0n11-Jul-11 1:23 StM0n 11-Jul-11 1:23  Wizard "You-IT-Guy-Eh" (yes|no|maybe)* Re: Missing Options Peter Mulholland13-Jul-11 5:45 Peter Mulholland 13-Jul-11 5:45  Crapper - where all the sh*t gets dumped. Pete Say What? Keith Barrow10-Jul-11 22:52 Keith Barrow 10-Jul-11 22:52  Labourer: One who engages in work that requires bodily strength Craftsman: One who engages in skilled work I don't know who is voting for option a, but event the worst keyboards can't be that heavy to type. Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^] -Or- A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^] Depends... ...on the Job Giver Jyothikarthik_N10-Jul-11 22:46 Jyothikarthik_N 10-Jul-11 22:46  Hard to mind, when all the craft is done for a monkey's hand. Hard to heart, when a job for Da Vinci is treated as labour! So, a labour or craftsman, depends on the person who gives me the job... - Just that something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done. Respect developers and their efforts! Jk It all depends... Joan M10-Jul-11 20:26 Joan M 10-Jul-11 20:26  If I'm using a CListCtrl I tend to feel more like bacon, but in case I'm using Consolas font... then I'm like a double bacon... PS: now everybody here can relax... all the important stuff have been said... [www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing. Re: It all depends... Nagy Vilmos10-Jul-11 21:55 Nagy Vilmos 10-Jul-11 21:55  Too fast girl, too fast! Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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