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He who only takes a joke as a joke
and sincerity as sincerity
needs to be knocked on the head.
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Sander Rossel wrote: This started out as a joke, but
If you read my message you could've saved your whole reply.
Now that's a lot of bits! 
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I get it: You don't want anyone to extend on your joke, you want to have the last hand on it.
That's OK with me ... But you'll have to formulate a response to this post as well of you insist on having the last word 
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Seriously?  
sorry, too tempting
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I like when they don't allow dots. 
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch/gfx
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so you have to spell them out 
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Actually, that's not a bad thing. Yes, we treat it as case-insensitive, but the original concept had lowercase letters in mind. These days, uppercase is used as a crutch because you have a really long username or domain name, or just are an old fart. 
bob@bob.com - Good
bobGoesToTheMarket@bob.com - Bad
P.S. They probably should just lowercase it on the backend and allow for mixed cased input though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well, maybe this isn't weird, and it's relating to ASP.Net Webforms so of no relevance to most of you anyway... but even though I've been using ASP.Net webforms for donkey's years, this is something I'd not realised / understood until just now.
I have a form on which some of the fields may be disabled, depending on some rather complex logic. Some of the fields are disabled dependent on one of several statuses of a business object; others are disabled depending on a boolean flag that is available client-side. Some are dependent on both tests.
I was finding that when posting back, ONE of the fields was "losing" it's value, and the underlying database was getting an empty value. (Fortunately auditing at the database level was tracking the changes in values, so in those cases it happened in the live system I was able to restore via the audit trail. I knew it would be useful!) Debugging in VS it was apparent that although both fields were disabled (and had the disabled="disabled" attribute), one was empty right at the start of the page_load event, whilst the other had the value expected. I know that disabled fields aren't posted back as part of the HTTP post, but ASP.Net was "restoring" the value (I understand through ViewState). What I couldn't figure out was why ASP.Net was restoring some disabled fields, but not others.
Eventually I noticed that the one that had the expected value had aspNetDisabled in the CSS class attribute client-side (as well as my own class name). Investigating showed that ASP.Net adds this attribute when the field is set to disabled at the server.
It turns out that my code, which had evolved over years, had one set of "disabling" rules implemented server-side, by setting field.Enabled = false ... but the field that was returning blank, was getting set disabled CLIENT side. It therefore didn't have the aspNetDisabled CSS class.
By moving the client-side logic to disable that field across to the server, the CSS class was being set and ASP.Net was restoring the value from ViewState. (Fairly obviously, just adding the aspNetDisabled classname at the client won't do the trick, as the classname doesn't get posted back).
I know, it's one of those things I should have known, and I know, too, that I should be doing things like enabling fields consistently - either client-side or server-side. My original code did it server-side, but that involved writing a line of code for each control. The later additions did it client-side because there were quite a few controls involved, and it was much simpler to just add a CSS class to each one, then use JQuery to disable ALL fields with that CSS class.
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Quote: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
This isn't one of those times.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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You should add it as a tip
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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I can not believe how badly they have screwed the pooch on this. I've posted about this before and submitted bug reports and and they have done it yet again. With the 17.4.4 update (I think it was) Visual Studio's batch build option lost the ability to remember which of your build targets you want to build. They then fixed it a release or two later. With the 17.5.0 update it was broke again and fixed again at the next release. Yesterday they released 17.6.0 and this is broken again. 
For me, this is a major pain in the backside. I have one solution with 24 projects, another with 40, and several more with 10. Now I have to waste a considerable amount of time selecting the desired build targets whenever I load one of those or I build them all and that wastes even more time.
I am so infuriated right now that I think I will wait until tomorrow to update my bug report. It won't matter very much because this is an issue raised by quite a number of people. One guy remarked that he gave up on it and has resorted to batch files. I am dang nearly at that point myself. 
Actually, what I should be doing is waiting until I see what new and annoying bugs there are with each new release before I do any updates. I certainly will in the future.
ETA: 17.6.3 was released today and it is still broken. A corporate representative posted on 25 May that the issue is fixed and awaiting release.
ETA: 17.7.0 was released today and it is FIXED! At long, long last. It was still broken in releases 17.6.4 and 17.6.5 so this is very welcome news.
ETA: they have released versions 17.7.1, 17.7.2, and 17.7.3 and it wasn't broken on any of them. I have to state that I am very, very surprised but in a good way.
ETA: While 17.7.3 did not break this option, it changed a whole bunch of my settings and it has been very annoying resetting them.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
modified 30-Aug-23 17:51pm.
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But hey, the icons are shiny!
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the shine so overwhelming you cannot see the issues anymore
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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I do not install the 17.{x}.0 updates.
Waiting for 17.{x}.4 or .5 updates brings less anger.
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This problem has been fixed in release 17.7.0.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I think I ran into something similar a while back. 29 projects in the solution and it would forget which projects depended on which and build them out of order.
I ended up setting the max number of concurrent project builds to 1 and it seems to have worked around the problem.
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I'm a bit slow on the uptake here but that's what I always do (one concurrent build at a time) and that made no difference for me.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I don't know about the update but the bugginess of VS2022 is infuriating.
I'm programming a WinForms project and the Tools in the Tool window disappear on a regular basis or are grayed out.
The properties window is blank at times.
Sometimes designers refuse to load...on and on!
WTF, is there no QA anymore? This is not a new product, it's been out as a preview for quite a while.
So again I say WTF?
I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else.
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.1.0 JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: Simon Says, A Child's Game
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I have a few close friends that work for Microsoft, and they are developers there.
I am not saying this is the reason, but it may be a contributing factor: too many young people with subpar work ethic. I've preached about this in other threads over the years, but my friends brought this up to me before, a few times. I guess its becoming a big deal/issue there.
It would explain or partially explain the increased lackluster rollouts and releases, the bugs that should have been caught during normal testing processes, etc. - the silly, stupid stuff that should never occur.
Hey, go woke, go broke. You get what you pay for. If Microsoft wants to pay for shite, then they get shite. Just saying...
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Things that are a thing of the past;
Customer Service
Work Ethic
Responsibility for ones actions
Privacy
Unity
etc..
I could go on and on but the soap box is no longer available!
I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else.
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.1.0 JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate
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Not just Microsoft, it's everywhere.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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Mike Hankey wrote: WTF, is there no QA anymore?
Almost as bad, inept QA.
Our esteemed QA department (what I call our one guy) closed a Jira that wasn't even yet in his queue. I had to call him out in Standup yesterday. I asked him how he tested the change, in all 5 different applications it went in, when I intentionally had NOT moved the code into the branch that builds the QA environment. "I just saw it was related to the one application as the other stories I was testing and moved it over."
Later I went back and checked the story and sure enough in my description was what he SHOULD have seen if the code had been migrated over. Since it wasn't, the message wouldn't have appeared and he should have Failed the story. I now know he didn't even READ the story before passing it. This is not the first time he has done this.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I'm a bit late to this party....
I have learned to export my install config (VS Installer > More > Export Configuration) and export settings (VS IDE > Tools > Import and Export Settings). Especially important when working with the Preview editions.
When it is time to do a major update, I tend to Repair, then apply the update. If there are any issues, I can uninstall and use the exported configuration to quickly reinstall, then Import the settings back into the IDE after updating.
Flushing an install tends to have less issues after the update. Re-installing things like ReSharper and other extensions, not that I use many, doesn't take long to do.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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I have a little IoT audio development board - an AI Thinker ESP32 Audio Kit Version 2.2 rev 2957. The thing is supposed to able to be developed into an Alexa type device.
The problem with it is the documentation is maybe the worst I've ever seen. It claimed that the audio chip was an ES8388. It's an AC101, which isn't even similar.
Worse, there are at least 3 different versions of "Version 2.2" with different pinouts, none of which are specifically documented, requiring you to piece together snatches of old documentation, messageboard responses, and just random detritus from google and wave a dead chicken over the whole thing and maybe it will work.
I've been working on it all day and am not at the point where it produces sound yet. I can turn an LED off and on.
Would not recommend to a friend. Skip AI-Thinker and an get an Espressif LyraT board instead. Meh.
Edit: I got mine making sound finally but who knows how many boards this works for.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
modified 3-Apr-23 4:47am.
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