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modified 15-May-23 19:06pm.
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Member 14968771 wrote: Any suggestions for "alternative action" ?
Give up; you have been on this for more years than I can remember, and seem to have got nowhere. Meanwhile the rest of the world is happily implementing their Bluetooth systems.
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Dear Microsoft ... I don't like your operating system. Please fix it. Thank you.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Member 14968771 wrote: Any suggestions for "alternative action" ?
Go outside, face into the wind, and start to pee. It will accomplish roughly the same thing.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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This is the fundamental problem with FOSS. You get what you pay for. While open source is great to ensure trustworthiness of a product, using something you don't pay for means costs will always be cut. And it's usually on the support side of things.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: And it's usually on the support side of things.
Friend of mine, decades ago:
"But that's the beauty of open source: if it doesn't do what you want it to do, you can fix it yourself!!!"
Me: I already have my plate full, maintaining my own software; why should I take it upon myself to fix other people's broken software on top of that?"
Him: You just don't get it...You could, if you wanted to.
Me: That's not much of an argument, I wouldn't, whether it's closed source or open source. Fix your sh*t.
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dandy72 wrote: I already have my plate full, maintaining my own software; why should I take it upon myself to fix other people's broken software on top of that?
Err...except of course you don't need to write it from scratch in the first place. You know the same condition that follows from the "plate full".
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That's not the point I'm making. The discussion was centered around support. Now, to the point you're making not related to my point... Some people want to tinker. Some people value their time. I didn't say being able to tinker is bad. I said FOSS generally has no real support.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I didn't say being able to tinker is bad. I said FOSS generally has no real support.
Agreed, on both accounts.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: While open source is great to ensure trustworthiness of a product
Is it? Sure, it sounds great in theory, and sure, anyone can examine the code for bugs and security issues, but how many actually do? And of those few people how many have the knowledge and skills to recognize an obscure security issue if they saw one? Do they also go through the code of all the FOSS npm packages the product incorporates? I'm skeptical.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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It's pretty obvious I mean in comparison to closed source. 
Jeremy Falcon
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If you read the section headed About this item, then I would say, very little.
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I just check here to see if I missed anything...
diligent hands rule....
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If you need to ask you don't need one.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Like the man said, you probably don't need one.
The SAS (serial attached SCSI) connector is one solid piece versus 2 pieces for SATA. Our ancient server uses SAS drives ($$$) from back in the day.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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thanks for the info!![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif) this is the purpose why I posted this gadget here...
diligent hands rule....
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Slightly lightens your wallet.
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I have a Seagate 5gb drive that my PC's are not longer seeing. I'm hoping it's not lost. Is there any good tools out there for diagnosing & recovering drives?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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I don't buy Seagates because that happens. Their drive controller circuitry just up and quits.
Mine have come back periodically. Randomly. But no recovery tools will work on a drive with a dead controller.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Is there nothing I can do?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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You could send it to a data recovery outfit, but it won't be cheap. They'll take the drive apart in a clean environment and pull stuff right off the platters, or even simply replace the drive controller.
I don't think there's anything *reliable* you can do yourself.
I've had two do exactly what yours is doing. The only thing you might be able to do on your own is what I did. Leave it in your machine and pray. One day, when you boot, the little hamster in the thing will come back to life and the drive will enumerate.
At that point copy everything you have.
PSA: Seagate's commercial stuff is supposedly good. Their consumer gear is a dumpster fire in my experience. Multiple bad drives with your issue.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I see reports like the following pop up every once in a while. I think have seen them show up from different sources but the number of drives covered is always amazing to me.
Notice 171,000+ drives.
Hard Drive Failure Rates for Q1 2021[^]
honey the codewitch wrote: Seagate's commercial stuff is supposedly good
I think the following from the above suggests they agree with you.
"...that the 18TB Seagate drives...Customer development units are mechanically complete, but the firmware is considered non-production and as such the drives are considered test drives."
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When my Seagate recently failed to be seen by my PC, I pulled it out of computer attached to a SATA to USB cable, put on it top of a freeze pack from fridge and fired it up. It was heat problem with controller. I was able to pull all the data off to another external drive. Replaced it (grrr with a spare seagate drive copied data back and done. Yes, I hope I have better luck with my spare seagate (Barricuda). This is second time I have saved a drive using a freeze pack.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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That's good to know. You might tell the OP that. I'm sure he'd like to know.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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