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"Models are for sissies! Get to work!" 
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I explained my attitude poorly. By management, there are the people who are not technical making product decisions and what not. There are others, senior developers, tech leads, whatever you want to call them, but someone technical *must* be in charge. That person has the "no that's not how we're going to do it" authority and actually uses it.
I have heard it said that managing sw developers is like herding cats. Someone has to be the dog, the captain, whatever metaphor you want  . I've worked on teams where everyone was really smart, some excessively so. The lead wanted us all to cooperate. What happened? kludge here, design change there, bugs later.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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You forgot to add these points about being a good programmer:
- You must think your preferred programming language is better than the others - because the others suck.
- You must learn to argue online about the tiniest of things - because you know better than those plebs.
- You must be quick to point out other's code flaws while never admitting your own.
- You must like Star Wars. Deal with it.
- Most importantly, a good programmer hates sunlight and house lights. Only n00bs turn the light on.
Jeremy Falcon
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sarcassm?
that's where the senior engineer or product lead tells you to stfu or find another job. I'm sorry, engineering sometimes involves group cooperation, but there must be the evil overlord to keep the children from fighting.
I had an argument many years ago with a midrange developer who worked for me. He did not believe in source control / management. Really? I said. He said, yeah, complete waste of time. I blinked, and said, "you can't work for me, find another project." He said, "Really?" Every project needs leadership specifically technical leadership, not suggestive leadership. Group think is a total fail.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: that's where the senior engineer or product lead tells you to stfu or find another job. I'm sorry, engineering sometimes involves group cooperation, but there must be the evil overlord to keep the children from fighting.
I'd never hire a senior that can't take a joke though. If you can't laugh, you're not that intelligent.
charlieg wrote: I had an argument many years ago with a midrange developer who worked for me. He did not believe in source control / management. Really? I said. He said, yeah, complete waste of time. I blinked, and said, "you can't work for me, find another project." He said, "Really?" Every project needs leadership specifically technical leadership, not suggestive leadership. Group think is a total fail.
Not sure how this relates to my joking, but sure ok. Keep in mind, it's your or your company's fault for hiring and/or calling a dude like that midrange. I wouldn't call that dude a junior.
Jeremy Falcon
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Oh, well, I did ask . No we're good, and I meant my comment to indicate I picked up on it. What exactly results when you square sarcasm?
I just think it's hilarious that the biggest argument and passive rebellious behavior was about coding standards. Meanwhile, there was no standard for error checking. Even after project - 1 went through misery dealing with ftp errors, here we are again.
That's the point of the evil overlord, the passionate benevolent leader that doesn't have a problem about arguing and debating without HR getting involved.
Sorry, been in the trenches a long time
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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About the quotes... I have always said: "The best I learned in college was to learn"
Side note:
I met the new division boss last week for the first time and had a chat with him.
During the conversation he said a similar approach to that.
A good boss needs two skills. Managing and leading.
Managing is to get an overview of what it is and make the best out of it.
Leading is to look at the future and see how can the status quo be improved and look for the proper steps to reach it, even when that implies to drop everything and to start over.
I found it an interesting point, too.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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raddevus wrote: Software development is a process of discovery and exploration;
Errr...Software development is the process of delivering functionality on which businesses can make money.
The feel-good stuff only works as long as you are getting a nice big paycheck.
raddevus wrote: To become experts at managing complexity, we need the following:
Nice buzzwords but without the understanding of how to use those to facilitate long term actual cost reduction for the business they don't mean much. Without that understanding the misuse will lead to increased complexity which leads to more fragile software and higher maintenance costs.
But perhaps all of that is in a latter chapter.
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Corrupt fully grown drug speed (10)
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
modified 19-Dec-22 4:26am.
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Erm ... did you mean (10)? There is an "E" in my solution ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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modified 19-Dec-22 5:14am.
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Apol yes I did
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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You might need to change the clue a little then ... I'll take it if no-one else does, but I'll give them a chance first.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Done - you might want to edit your post and remove winner from the heading
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
modified 19-Dec-22 4:37am.
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Done!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The first thing I saw was the anagram "wrongfully", now can't unsee it.
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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I'll help you with that wrongfully is wrong 
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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It is in fact fully wrong
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OK I'll take it...
ADULTERATED
adult - fully grown
e - drug
rated - speed
corrupt - def.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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good answer but 11 letters... 
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Nope
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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:facepalm: take the D off the end, the rest holds.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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 that's twice you've done that (tense)  YAUT
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Sad indeed. Even more sad is that it will be used as a political weapon now to further agendas.
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Slacker007 wrote: it will be used as a political weapon now to further agendas.
But of course. All politicians believe that one should never let a crisis go to waste. The only difference between politicians is what they consider to be a crisis.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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