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fgs1963 wrote: Twitter and Facebook have already admitted that the US DOJ...
Even if true none of what you said has anything to do with what I said.
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Sure it does.
When social media (directed by the government and/or political parties) censor public discourse in the US the public will rebel. As they should...
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fgs1963 wrote: censor public discourse in the US
Twitter is not "public discourse".
It is a company.
If someone wants to carry a sign up and down on a public sidewalk then they can. But they don't get to do the same thing inside a store because the store is a company. The company is free to decide what and who has access the store.
That isn't new. Read up on how Hearst used his newspapers.
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jschell wrote: Twitter is not "public discourse". It is a company.
You're wrong for 3 reasons:
First, and most importantly, as you see in the "Twitter Files" being released over the last few weeks and as I mentioned in my post - the US government (DOJ and others), the DNC and the Biden campaign all had their hands in the process of Twitter's censorship. It wasn't just a company...
Second, due to the scope and ubiquity of modern social media it can easily be argued that their moderation cannot be political in nature. Imagine if cell phone systems (AT&T, Verizon, etc...) decided they would only carry traffic for specific political parties or refused service to specific candidates. Whether you like it or not there are rules in place to stop this and Twitter is not above those rules.
Lastly, all I said was that "people will rebel". Surely you don't think Twitter is some kind of official institution that the general public MUST accept and use... right? We're still allowed to make our own choices... right?
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fgs1963 wrote: First, and most importantly, as you see in the "Twitter Files"
Sigh...and a retail store must a have business license. And they cannot advertise graphic porn in the window even if they want to. And there are many other things they must follow as well.
fgs1963 wrote: Second, due to the scope and ubiquity of modern social media it can easily be argued that their moderation cannot be political in nature
You can desire that. But it is not part of the US Constitution. There is however a way to modify the Constitution so get busy if you feel that is viable.
And it still ignores that my original comment that they were banned after ignoring the policies of the company whose service they were using.
fgs1963 wrote: Lastly, all I said was that "people will rebel"
No you said the following
censor public discourse in the US the public will rebel.
And as I said and continue to say it is not "public".
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For me, the only result of all this hype is that I start using Twitter. Out of curiosity. It's not that bad to be honest.
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It only looks like a "war" to the general public.
The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO).
If I wanted to use Twitter (and I don't), I'd use a browser. I don't know how many people get that part.
And they're confusing free will (ads) and free speech.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO).
What has he done that you have this attitude? Space-X, Tesla, Starlink, Boring?
I personally think Space-X is elephanting amazing and on that alone I admire the guy.
Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class. I don't stop using Apple products because Jobs was an ass, I don't stop using Windows because Gates use monopolistic business tactics.
What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics? 
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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DRHuff wrote: What has he done that you have this attitude? ... Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class.
And there you have answered your own question. Why the f*** would we want to be ruled by a**holes? I sure don't.
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Better get used to it. 80+% of politicians and business leaders are a**holes. Musk just gets more press than most.
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And yet you are...
Jeremy Falcon
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Sadly, yes. Many of us are trying to change that. Wish us well...
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DRHuff wrote: What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics?
I don't think Gates or Jobs fired dozens of people for using an internal account that was specifically set up to encourage free speech.
I don't think Gates or Jobs claimed that they could save children trapped in a cave with rising water using robots. And then insulting the leader of the team that would in fact go on to rescue those children.
Now Jobs probably did make promised claims for new products that never showed up. But perhaps not as much.
The only 'politics' that I have seen from Musk that matter are his attempts to rationalize his behavior for what is obviously his personal agenda by claiming that it is the fault of others because of their politics.
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I hesitate to write this because I already know your angst too well...
jschell wrote: I don't think Gates or Jobs fired dozens of people for using an internal account that was specifically set up to encourage free speech.
Clearly you've never ready any documentaries about Jobs or studied anything about business. But that's ok, in this hateful world we live in now, blindly believing the media is all we need to go on.
jschell wrote: I don't think Gates or Jobs claimed that they could save children trapped in a cave with rising water using robots. And then insulting the leader of the team that would in fact go on to rescue those children.
I don't think you ever ready anything at all about Jobs or Gates and just how much of an a***hole both of them were. But as long as the media didn't command you to think that way, I guess the truth doesn't matter.
jschell wrote: The only 'politics' that I have seen from Musk that matter are his attempts to rationalize his behavior for what is obviously his personal agenda by claiming that it is the fault of others because of their politics.
Which could be said of every last human on the planet. At least be fair in your hate. You won't be. You'll argue. But whatever...
This is the part where I regret replying to you now.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Clearly you've never ready any documentaries about Jobs or studied anything about business
Your assumption is incorrect. He was an a**hole. But at the time he wasn't bringing that to the public table.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I don't think you ever ready anything at all about Jobs or Gates and just how much of an a***hole both of them were.
Not sure what that means. I definitely have read and seen reports about Jobs and the work environment he created.
You are correct I have not seen the same about Gates. But what I did read suggested perhaps at least some incompetence.
However neither are comparable to what Musk is doing.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Which could be said of every last human on the planet.
Based on that comment of course then presumably you would claim that no one ever is responsible for their personal or public behavior? Or perhaps that no one could be compared to another because they are all the same?
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DRHuff wrote: What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics?
The vast majority of people are sheep that are swayed by the media. They'll deny it. They'll get angry. But, they're still sheep that think what the media tells them to think.
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe there's method in this madness after all. A while ago, I've read an article speculating about Musk being overworked. If that's true, then f***ing up as much as possible to show everyone that you are in fact overloaded isn't the best coping mechanism, but it is a coping mechanism.
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My take is this is simply hilarious. Watching so-called liberals fall all over themselves predicting the end of civilization because free speech is back is amusing to say the very least. Wait until some sideways talking Lib gets cutoff from Twitter. Liberal heads exploding across the USA in 3.2... BTW, I am NOT a Twitter-er.
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James G 2021 wrote: because free speech is back
Free speech ends, when law limits are crossed. (And yes, I know that law limits change a lot depending on where you are and what you say, but the definition still is valid, other aspects would require another kind of discussion).
If you still want to say it... do it, I don't care, just accept the consequences when you cross the line.
The positive side of not having a moderation team and account bans and all those "free speech" extremist fans... their comments remain longer online so eventually the authors can be found and / or other possible connections to illegal activities can be traced down.
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If both Apple and Twitter go down the world will be a better place. Remember, Apple was the reason the EU forced all device manufacturers to go to USB-C as the single charging standard. Apple also has acted like a monopoly for years when it comes to access to iOS devices; both Microsoft (Windows) and Google (Android) have open environments for developers.
However, I wouldn't bet against Elon Musk. I would bet against Apple in this case.
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obermd wrote: Remember, Apple was the reason the EU forced all device manufacturers to go to USB-C as the single charging standard.
Huh?
In 2009, when the EU initiative first started cell phones, all of them, were using proprietary connectors. Far as I know all of the companies attempted to restrict (legally) the connectors so other companies could not make chargers that had that connector.
What makes you think this was just a problem with Apple?
I certainly had at least one flip phone, which was not an Apple product, that was like that.
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Message Closed
modified 1-Dec-22 10:14am.
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: I am sick and tired of the silencing of American Voices.
That is just not true.
Free speech is only regulated between the government and the people. Twitter is not the government. Simple as that.
Companies in the United States are allowed to control their products. Twitter is a company product. So they can control it.
Just like Apple does not allow porn of any sort for the IPhone.
Just like every company (modern ones) does not allow employees to view porn in the work place. Even on their break.
And companies can and do fire people for what they say in the work place and even when not at work all the time.
Regardless of what twitter does any US Citizen is still allowed to go to a public street corner and shout whatever lies they want. That is what the US Constitution is about.
Kirk 10389821 wrote: But their government Called Apple. And Apple Disabled that feature... For people in that country.
That has nothing to do with anything.
China is a different country. Companies in different countries must follow the laws of that country. Just as if a US citizen was in that different country then the laws of that country (or even the lack of laws) apply to that US citizen. Which is why a US teenager was caned in Singapore, because he broke the laws of that country and received the legal punishment of that country.
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Message Closed
modified 1-Dec-22 10:14am.
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I am not supporting nor against your claims. I am just objectivelly telling you (both of you), you are really close to the limits of the lounge content guidelines.
Please stop before it ends in a soapbox thread and CP Staff has to jump in and block it.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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