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He seems quite determined to self-destruct
This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
modified 13-Dec-22 16:39pm.
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Elonny got his gun.
EDIT: well if he manages to cost big busck to Apple and possibly tear down them both in a suicidal attack I will ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing root for him.
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den2k88 wrote: Elonny got his gun
If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^])
Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black.
And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black.
(For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)
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trønderen wrote: If this is a reference to what I think it is
It is. I watched the movie mostly thanks to Metallica's video of "One".
trønderen wrote: And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black
It is.
I don't particularly care about being brutal or cruel when talking about some id-10t with too much money about to embark in a war against the world and end up dismantled (and I still hope he does it so that we can finally lose Tesla, Twitter and Apple in one fell swoop).
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Ah! I've heard of that story but not the title. I went thinking of: Annie Get Your Gun
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Hmmm... I read the book 40+ years ago and saw the movie 30+ years ago but I seem to recall the ending a bit differently.
Joe (not Johnny) was using morse code (banging his head on the pillow) but none of the doctors or nurses understood. After months of this he gives up. Later a new nurse writes "Merry Christmas" on his chest using normal letters. Joe understands and starts with the head banging again - soon she realizes what he's doing and gets a doctor. Again writing on his chest they ask him - "What do you want?" After a couple minutes he realizes that being blind, deaf, mute and quadriplegic limits his choices and decides he doesn't really want anything at all so he goes still and never communicates again.
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trønderen wrote: If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun
And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun. 
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Hooooooold my breath
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Cool. Is some of the footage in the video from the actual movie?
I found a download link for the movie. I'll definitely be watching it later. I like war movies, especially anything that hasn't been produced in the last 20+ years.
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dandy72 wrote: I like war movies, especially anything that hasn't been produced in the last 20+ years.
Note that Johnny Got His Gun has been described as the most ANTI-war movie ever.
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Makes sense.
A "war movie" can be anti-war, and a large portion of them do exactly that.
When I said I liked war movies, I wasn't suggesting I like those that glorify it. The fact that I said I particularly liked those made more than 20 years ago probably has something to do with that also...
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dandy72 wrote: And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun
Me too. But somehow the thread title made me think of "Two Tribes" (Frankie Goes to Hollywood). Maybe a satirical version: When Elon Musk goes to war...
Keep Calm and Carry On
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k5054 wrote: dandy72 wrote:And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun
same here.
some how the entire thread got overly serious.
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Quote: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black.
I had the same with Count of Monte Cristo. People see the movie and think it's an uplifting revenge story. It's not. The full story by Dumas is bleak. I feel it nearly sent me into a depression.
It's a story about revenge allright. But in the old-testamental sense: I will not only destroy you, but I will destroy everything in your life: your reputation, your business, your children, your children's children, and when everyone is dead and everything has turned to ashes you will finally know why and weep for the destruction of everything good in your life.
I kid you not it affected me really bad and took time to get out of it.
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Bruno van Dooren wrote: It's a story about revenge allright. But in the old-testamental sense:
Have you seen "old Boy?" (the original corean version, not the late try of blockbuster)
It is a bit easier to handle but it still forced a "    " of mine when I saw it.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Metallica's One is a near perfect adaptation of the store.
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I saw "Johnny got His Gun" in 1971 at university when it came out...
Didn't know about the novel but it was the grimmest anti-war movie I have ever seen.
It was also superbly told and acted...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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We could only be so lucky.
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If Elon (or anyone else) want to throw his/her money away, that is their privilege. I must say that I don't understand his recent decisions - both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase, and his gutting of the company after the purchase.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase,
To be fair, he tried quite hard to back out of the whole deal. But then, after accepting that he couldn't exit, he entered kamikaze-mode.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
modified 29-Nov-22 6:05am.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase
He did not want to go through with the purchase. The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract. He had no choice really.
Now, as I have said before, he is sinking the ship, one way or another. Twitter is finished.
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Slacker007 wrote: The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract
AIUI, there was a clause in the Twitter purchase contract that allowed him to cancel, on payment of a (large) fee. Musk didn't want to go through with the purchase, but also didn't want to pay the cancellation fee. He apparently decided that ownership of Twitter was the lesser of the two evils.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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He mus have had very bad lawyers. At 44 billion, his lawyers should have told him not to by this crock of vaporware...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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You assume he'd've listened to them when it could have mattered.
Elon ed himself, because early on when he wanted the deal and Twitter's management was opposed he forced the issue by offering well over the current market price and agreed to waive all due diligence - which otherwise would have allowed him opportunities to find an excuse to say no and make it stick.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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