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PIEBALDconsult wrote: His mother is OK with that?
Maybe she is the boss? 
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Since 2017, I have crippling anxiety and have panic attacks around people, especially in a workplace where I'm being evaluated. I can't even interview anymore, but fortunately work finds its way to me.
In a way, I'm grateful for COVID because it changed the way companies saw remote work, and made it more palatable in general for the bean counters and bosses.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I do a few days a week in the office, could be a few days a month. My job role allows that, my contract does not. I need to show face. Don't really mind but its better to work from home.
That said if my job included repairing printers and handing out laptops I'd need to be in the office a lot more.
So it depends, would my huge luxury of home-working demoralize the infrastructure level 1 support guy more than me being forced into a daily commute demoralizes me?
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There is one documented downside from everyone working from home - local restaurants, eateries, coffee shops, etc. lose patrons - lose money - go out business.
We are seeing this first hand here in Schenectady, NY and I have heard the same for some of the other major cities and towns in Upstate NY.
There is a big political and financial push now to get people back into the offices for these reasons.
I personally have been working from home for over 10 years now. I try to frequent the eateries in my local town at least 3 times a week, to help them financially (at least in my mind I am helping them), but I also love the food they offer, and I am a terrible cook.
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But working from home benefits the planet. The amount of energy, fuel, and time that is expended annually just moving people into and out of a city each day must be phenomenal.
Working from home ... the energy to stroll across the living room, the time to sit down.
And it is always thus: change happens, and everything adjusts to it. Once it settles, it's generally an order of magnitude better for everyone than it was before - it just takes a long time to get there. The car bankrupted the horse based industries, forced the railways to try and adapt, killed business in taverns and way stations across the world. But allowed mass transit, distribution of goods, the rise of a comfortable middle class, a whole wealth of benefits that couldn't even be guessed at before the ICE.
I have no idea what home working will bring, but ... it's got to be better long term than the alternative!
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one of the most absurd felling i've got was watching a bridge across a river that split the city in two parts. every day during the rush hour you would see angry people going from point A to point B across the bridge in cars/buses/trucks as if you would almost hear the military march that is orchestrating that madness. and then some 8 hours latter you would see every beaten up person going back from B to A...
but this "change happens, and everything adjusts to it. Once it settles, it's generally an order of magnitude better for everyone than it was before", i don't believe
first of all, i don't believe that everything should adjust in a Borgish assimilating collective way. and that, there is no possible way for something to be "better for everyone". the injustice here is done by the majority to the minority. although it is a lesser injustice than to impose the will of minority over the majority, there still is
the danger lies in the other end of the spectrum of WFH. some jobs (construction) are only possible when you exit your home and go to work. this (the lack of care of people who can WFH to people who cannot) will be used to stop people from exiting their homes for whatever convictions the enforcing side has
some may say, well i don't mind ever exiting my home and being connected to the metaverse, but i for instance don't want to explore the universe in an imaginary ship from a 15k apartment building block. i want to do it like the crew of The Enterprise, unmodified in flesh and blood
"I have no idea what home working will bring, but ... it's got to be better long term than the alternative!"
for you, but it may not be for me. therefor, let us hope that there always is an alternative
cheers
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You're conflating issues here: it's not "will" of the majority at all - it's a lot more like evolution where there is no directed result but a trend towards beneficial change. In fact, it can be seen as an "evolution of society" - remember that some evolutionary pathways are dead ends that largely die out!
As such there is no "assimilation" - Borgish or otherwise - just change.
Yes, there are jobs where physical presence in necessary - doctors, nurses, construction, and many others. That doesn't mean that there is any lack of care involved - it may even improve their lot by reducing the flow of people at peak times to a "civilized" level!
Even for companies, WFH is a financial bonus: no need for big expensive buildings that are empty 2/3 of time; that need expensive heating and cooling systems, and so forth.
Better for work/life balance, better for the planet, better for corporate balance sheets. What's not to like? 
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"You're conflating issues here: it's not "will" of the majority at all - it's a lot more like evolution where there is no directed result but a trend towards beneficial change."
i don't think that all nations should evolve in the same path. for me diversity is more beneficial, where one can compare and chose. the fact that until 1990 there was a capitalist, communist and a neutral block was, in my point of view, beneficial for all. a one world order that offers no alternative to compare is a dangerous path. the fact, that you cannot see in another countries an example of success or failure vs yours...
"remember that some evolutionary pathways are dead ends that largely die out!"
i remember the idians and the aborigine, but they didn't died on they own. they were destroyed by a race that forcefully suppressed their custom way of life and tried to educate them the "right way". we have lost many (now ancient) civilizations by spreading of "values" and we will lose even more if we manage to spread our "values" beyond this planet. woes those who will encounter our system of values, sometimes called christianity, sometimes called communism, sometimes called islam and sometimes called democracy... because we accept no alternative
"Better for work/life balance, better for the planet, better for corporate balance sheets. What's not to like?"
remember that if the human species dies it is better for the planet, too. alas, we don't know if the next civilization of cockroaches will be even more devastating for the environment
from what i can see, i know you meant well. i wanted to point out some bad examples.
never estimate that what is good for some people is good for all people. be careful with the "we" philosophy. "we" societies can take a bad turn and when they do, it can be very very dangerous for one's soul
cheers
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i'm confused by this: doesn't the $ you spend on resources near your home somehow balance the $ you spend eating out at places near the office ? So, yes, the deli and whatever near the office close down, just as people moving to the burbs use malls rather than downtown stores, and the big downtown stores close.
cheers, bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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When I went to the office ( I stopped the year BEFORE COVID ) I never ever went out for lunch, unless it was a company paid lunch. Leftovers or peanut butter sandwich. It was both a cost and time savings strategy. Eat at your desk while you work and it truly is an 8 hour day.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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If work from home is not an option that tells me something about the employer.
And I wouldn't want to work for such an employer.
It also depends on where my office is located.
When it was a 100km+ drive I preferred WFH, but when it was 6km I was at the office every day (by bike).
It's currently 12km, used to take my bike, but been taking the car for months now 
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when cought in traffic jams or having family obligations working from home is a dream.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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KarstenK wrote: having family obligations working from home is a dream.
as long as the kids are not at home, mind you...  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It actually depends on the commute time 
If I had a 15 minute bike ride, I'd probably go to the office almost every day. An hour car drive on the other hand ...
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I am a software developer (who would have thought?) so I can do a lot from home, but the debug must be done in a laboratory with expensive instrumentation and bulky frames, plus a the selection of different models.
The bare minimum instrumentation I use costs upwards of 50k, requires more power to operate than what a home in Italy gets from the line (3.6 kW max for each home contract, 6 kW if you have an EV, pay a premium and your line supports it) and at 3-phase 380V to boot, which isn't available at all in homes.
When we get to thermal chambers, EMC rooms, anechoic chambers and load tests there is no way I can stay away from the lab proper.
That said there have been long stretches of time (months) where I worked exclusively from my office desk and could have debugged with less than 2k€ of instrumentation that would easily fit in place of my flight simulator joystick at home so...
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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wow ! sounds like you are testing nuclear fusion 
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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If only! Working in such an environment has always been a starry-eyed dream for me, either chemical, physical or biological.
Alas I develop car parts, which are bulky, powerful and need to meet dozens of different safety and electrical regulations. Which is annoying but absolutely essential, all vehicle technology (from ancient carriages to trains and airplanes) is sadly built on a lot of accidents, most of them deadly.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Years ago, I worked in a US, EPA lab (Environmental Protection Agency). We tested car emissions using tons of expensive gas-analyzing gear. It was a lot of fun. My boss had apparently inhaled way too many car fumes, making him one of the first people to even think of the idea of working from home. He let us do design work one day a week at home. Very special circumstance.
Interesting aside: After about a month, I understood the readings from the gas-analyzing instruments. While we were doing a test run on a vehicle, one of the lab technicians pulled me aside and said, "hey, watch this!" He pointed to the active gauges and chart recorders, so I'd make a mental note of what the gas levels were running at. He pulled the "sniffer" out of the tail pipe of that running vehicle. (The sniffer is a small tube, placed inside the exhaust pipe, drawing the car's exhaust gasses into the instruments.) He took a cigarette pack out of his lab coat pocket, lit one up, and proceeded to exhale the cigarette smoke into the sniffer.
Many of the instruments pegged their meters! Meaning that exhaled cigarette smoke contains a higher concentration of hydrocarbon particulates, nitrogen oxide, and carbon monoxide than a few seconds of car exhaust does.
Moral of the story?
Next time you want to smoke, take a hit off of a car's exhaust instead.  
Besides being able to work from home once a week, there was another fringe benefit of that job.
I quit smoking that very same week.
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Cosmic Turnip wrote: I quit smoking that very same week.
That makes you smart
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I'm OK splitting my time between home and office
Office is OK, but I'd like to occasionally work from home
I prefer working in an office
Not necessarily in that order.
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