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Yeah - I agree. Microsoft keeps kowtowing to the braindead Apple and Android UI designs.
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"it's been around for years"
And yet a new OS 2 generations past still has the problem?
This is exactly what is wrong with Microsoft.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11.
Make sure you've got the 22H2 update, which should reenable start menu folders. It's not a perfect replacement for the Windows 10 menu, but it's better than the original release.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I do have the 22H2 update.
You've got to wonder why they keep pushing this design even though they get backlash in every new Windows and have to make fixes for every new Windows too.
I can only imagine there's some designer over at Microsoft who's like "Am I out of touch? No, it's the users that are wrong!"
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Because hydrocephelic program managers try to get promoted by creating new things that aren't quite windows, and when they fail ram the unpolishable turds into the base OS. See the Win8 Start Screen and UWP apps.
The w11 startmenu and taskbar are cluster ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ed garbage fires because they were written from scratch for another halfbaked attempt to get back into smaller fondleslabs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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hydrocephelic - had to look that up. Appropriate insult.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Start menu folders still take more steps than the Windows 10 organized start menu.
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And Win 11 updates will also REMOVE things it doesn't like.
I prefer the old Win 7 pre-installed versions of card games (Solitaire etc) and keep them going. Win 11 updates remove them again. Thanks for that.
They'll never get their filthy hands on my saved copy though ...
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The more I hear about it... 
Maybe I should send it back and give the reason it's a DOA, came with pre-installed viruses 
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This thread confirms my opinion that MS does the
Windows Vista insanity every few years
I am still running Windows 7 64 bit Professional and often feel
I should upgrade this conversation makes it clear NOT EVER
Started with Windows 3.1 learned my lesson with Windows Me
YES to DOA and pre-installed trash
Best of Luck
What brand Notebook did you purchase ?
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Me always worked fine for me.
Then again, I was only playing games back then 
Vista was an absolute train wreck.
Windows 8 wasn't much better, but at least it had decent support.
Windows 7 was great, but I must say Windows 10 is just a bit better.
The start menu in 10 beats 7, and I think you need 10 for newer hardware and software.
I mean, great as 7 was, it's already 13 years old! 
That said, Windows 7 and 10 are alike in a lot of ways.
I think Microsoft wanted to play it safe after the Windows 8 catastrophe.
So, if you're looking to update (you'll have to eventually) Windows 10 is a safe bet as far as I'm concerned 
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Oh, and I got a Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro by the way.
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Windows 7 is just Vista SP3, but without any trace of work by designers.
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Start11 allows separate icons per process on the taskbar if in Configure Start11 > Taskbar > Taskbar Buttons Should Be Combined to Never.
It's cheap and might sort out some of your Start problems too (I hardly use Start, so cannot say).
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Yeah, but it's sad we need a third party tool for this.
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Yep, I got Start8 soon after I 'upgraded' to Windows 8. Now I only upgrade Windows if there's a Start version ready for it.
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eveyrthing you said plus plus plus
for the start menu. Very quickly I installed
GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows[^]
It keeps alot of Windows 11 stuff but allows you to customize the toolbar.
As for the login. Just reimage with Winders Pro and you can then login with the business account. But that takes a moment and some skills.
But it is a huge stinking pile isn't it.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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I've installed Windows 11 v22H2 and the option to use a local account is still there. It's buried under the "Use a domain account" option.
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Yeah, but I don't want a local account, I want to use my account that's connected to Visual Studio, my M365 Business License, Azure AD, etc.
A local account would be a completely new account that I've never used before.
I did find a way to also connect my business account though.
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Use a local account for the main system and then add the additional accounts. That's what I've done.
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That's so crazy it just might've worked 
Not going to change it now though 
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This is an example of Microsoft's complete insanity, dyslexia, or hydrocephelic (new word I learned today).
These idiots want us to go to a subscription model for everything - hence the logins all over the place. Since I'm a small business person, I legally qualify the community license to Visual Studio. Enter customer's corporate IT department plus it's insane Global Prevent VPN plus Microsoft's self inflicted technical ignorance. The tools go into a total CJ trying to figure out who I am.
This is the age old, "Microsoft, why do you make it so hard to use your tools?"
Don't even get me started on the POS Teams is.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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So, now even the youngings rebel?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I've always been rebelling.
Quietly.
At home.
On the couch.
Vive la resistance!
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