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Wokeness preys on people's guilt about not being tolerant. So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance.
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obermd wrote: So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance.
Seems to me coexistence implies tolerance...so...is wokeness antithesis to tolerance?
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Yes, "wokeness" is a form of shaming.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Yes, "wokeness" is a form of shaming.
And then there's the self-loathing. Something else I don't understand - nor want to.
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Wokeness is the antithesis of tolerance. In fact, most of the Left's world view isn't tolerant of differing opinions.
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obermd wrote: So no, wokeness cannot coexist with tolerance.
As computer guys, I guess we are entitled to thinking in binary. It is either 0 or 1, off or on.
Analog guys (actually, 40 years ago there were analog computers as well!) are prepared to handle intermediate values. You can be tolerant up to a point. Maybe more in some areas than in others. Conversely, you go the woke line only so far, you do not go to extremes.
Neither woke nor tolerance is absolute. You should strive to understand where your limits are for either of them. Then spend some time pondering whether you really have good enough reasons to justify these limits.
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Wokeness is not a word. Being woke means you were asleep. As for the rest of us, we were always awake.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Wow - how many words do you want to apply this to? How far back are you wanting to go. The tens of thousands of words that never existed before say 1900? How about the riduculous number of words that culture have modified over the last few decades - many of which mean exactly the opposite of their original meaning.
Or is it just 'woke' that you have trouble with?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Not a dictionary word. It's an ugly non-word in the jargon family.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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You will see my reply in another post.
Hey, enjoy the push back.
You have awakened my debate sense.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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i guess its the way your bring up your children.. and i guess they never lived under oppression or constant threat..freedom is not free
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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pressure from the unseen.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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People can only tolerate something negative. Nobody has to tolerate anything neutral or positive. So no, tolerance is not a good value.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: So no, tolerance is not a good value
So when someone hold a viewpoint that differs from yours, the other guy is wrong and you can't cooperate?
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Understanding and acceptance are much better than tolerance. Tolerance will end at a certain point: you will tolerate cold, pain, hunger and annoyance, until you won't. But if you understand the point of the opter people and accept it, there is no point in the future when this will end - until they move the goalpost, obviously.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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There's no discussion, and it ain't important.
There's real problems that need adressing; renaming my favourite sauce ain't gonna help in any way.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I just now learned about Windows God Mode . However I do not know what to do w/ my now omnipotent power .
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Well, first you buy a Volcano Lair - then you leverage your new-found power into World Domination.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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It always amused me why anyone would name the ability to open Control Panel as "God Mode"?
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Haven't seen it since Vista days, but I just remember it as a convenient way into assorted settings. Nothing you couldn't get at in some more convoluted way.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Peter_in_2780 wrote: some more convoluted way.
Press the Windows key and type "Control Panel".
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meagreProgrammer wrote: I just now learned about Windows God Mode .
You mean, pre-Vista, where everybody was running everything in admin mode?
[Edit]
Oh. That control panel thing. Yeah, it's still around.
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There's nothing in Windows "God" mode that you can't do via the control panel. In some cases you have to dig, but it's all there.
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... now that the UK Prime Minister election is over, this isn;t political[^]
Accurate and funny if it happened though ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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