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I've been exploring, surveying and mapping caves in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, and Kentucky since I was 10 years old. I love the quiet, the beauty, and the thrill of being somewhere no one, or very few, have gone before. Hence my username and avatar. 
Having said that, I don't care for tight squeezes either. When I'm already crawling on my belly and I start to feel the ceiling on my back and I've got more than a few feet to crawl that way, that's where I stop.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Quote: If I can't drive a car through it, then I'm not going near it.
That's my rule from now on.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I won't even go into Jenolan Caves[^] and you can drive a B Double through them!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I've been through them many moons ago, but only because you could get a B Double in there 
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I love caves, but only when I can stand (or at least "comfortably" crawl) in them 
Seen some really beautiful sights like that
I read about a guy who got stuck halfway through some cave and upside down and not even the rescue workers could reach him.
From that moment on it was waiting for a slow and agonizing death (about 24 hours of (knowing you're) dying basically).
Sounds like one of the worst ways to go 
No way I'm risking that for a bit of a thrill
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Sounds like John Jones, they couldn't get him out and just sealed up the entrance.
The next post by BryanFazekas has a link which touches upon his case.
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Yeah, I think that's the one.
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I just read an account of John's death in Utah's Nutty Putty cave. True horror story.
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I believe you're talking about the Nutty Putty cave incident. They shut down and sealed the cave after his passing, and left his body, because it was too dangerous to retrieve.
There's a movie based on the accident, The Last Decent.
edit: I see Yac mentioned the same. I swear that reply wasn't there when I started typing. 
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Yes, a cave in Utah, I believe. His body is still there, the area sealed off, from what I understand.
And that is enough cautionary tale for me to stop before I attempt most tight and twisty passages like that. I don't want my eulogy to include the words "he died doing a hobby he loved." 
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Surprisingly enough, getting stuck is not the leading cause of death among spelunkers. Falls, rocks (falling), drowning, and hypothermia are the most likely causes, according to this article:
Caving Deaths: How Many Cavers Die Each Year? - Enter the Caves[^]
OTOH, there's no way I'm crawling through some hole I barely fit through. I've toured a few commercial caves in NY and VA (USA), and that was fun. But squeezing through a tiny hole? Nope!
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My first thought was "drowning?" but was immediately followed by "I'm not surprised".
Almost lost one of my friends when he difficultly fighting against the current trying to get out of an underwater cave.
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I like spelunking and caving, etc. But not like that. Ugh, makes me nervous just watching it.
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Are you sure that's what you meant to write?
Nobody should be at all surprised that China based TikTok has a keylogger. Hell, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Twitter, WhatsApp, iMessage, Chrome, Edge and Safari all had keyloggers. Privacy and the internet do not go together.
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Has nothing to do with China.
I get mails from my hospital to my gmail, with a sig that yammers about being the intended recipient and about privacy. Multiple companies do. None ever answered my legal questions on the validity of that signature for a mail-account where you sign and agree to share your data.
The sig is worth nothing.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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If they are sending sensitive medical Information via e-mail, they deserve to be prosecuted. In Israel, the only remotely medical information that is sent by e-mail are reminders of appointments, and a notification that a doctor has processed your online request (no details). If I want any medical information, I must login to a secure site.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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this all falls under the bullshit "you agree to our terms and conditions..." etc. The last few times I've been at the doc (USA) they hand me a tablet. Then I find out the office has subcontracted to a company to manage this that is data farming the info I put in.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: If they are sending sensitive medical Information via e-mail, they deserve to be prosecuted
Just appointments. And I can't, since I signed up for it.
So, being in Israel is like being in Europe. Same damn rules.
Also, yes, appointments is a problem.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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um yes, but I don't do tiktok. I guess the part that made me choke was "we don't use it".
lol
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm going back to cash
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Fiat? Or real?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Take it for what it's worth. This is hearsay from a colleague that lived in Chicago back then...
Back in early 2000's or so Chicago started taking photos at intersections with lights to ticket traffic violations. When the plan was announced a hue and cry went up that the data could be used to track people even if there were no traffic violations. The city announced they wouldn't ever use the data for that purpose. Within 2 years it was the most subpoenaed information in criminal and civil (especially divorce) cases.
He also stated that ATM machines at some point started having 2 cameras; one to image the person at the ATM and one looking past them (ostensibly to get an image of a robber). The latter camera data was also included in subpoenas to track a person's location.
I don't personally know if any of this is true but it doesn't fall too far outside the realm of possibility. Wait - is that a black helicopter over there?
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I think that your last paragraph would make a great signature!! 
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Leon Vitali, dies aged 74 | Film | The Guardian[^]
Not quite everyone knows him, but he was Stanley Kubrick's right hand for several decades, carrying a huge workload. A fantastic documentary speaks of his work: Filmworker (2017) - IMDb[^] and is recommended for all who are into Kubrick. (And I rarely use "fantastic")
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