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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh).
cheers
Chris Maunder
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F4 isn't "close" unless an idiot designed the UI - CTRL+F4 is "small close" (one browser page for example), but "close app" is normally ALT-F4
I had this discussion 40-odd years ago when someone designed a keyboard layout with "clear all" on the key between "Left" and Right"*.
* I used to write embedded software for custom VDT's (Terminals) which worked with the pre-PC mainframes of the time. VT100.net: Lynwood[^]
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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but frequently I use ctrl f5 to hard refresh to the server and cause a rerender of the page and then ctrl f4 does some very bad things.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Hi, perhaps some IBM chap? I remember in OS/2, F3 was the "Exit" key (sometimes with a half-open door as the icon) so that made F4 and F5 the next two next available keys 
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The F3 for close/exit was migrated from the old IBM terminals, which had the function keys in a 12 key pad on the right where the Num-pad is now; with [F1][F2][F3] on the top row.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
To err is human, to arr is pirate.
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Probably the same one who put "Rebuild All" directly under "Build". But now that I've switched to CMake/Ninja, I don't care that much.
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That's so funny, because I just cursed that option this week too. As a matter of fact, I hit "refresh" and was like, "hey where'd my tab go?"
Only after my stupidity wore off (oh, I hit F4) did I get appropriately angry. 
Also, I never did this when I was younger -- I could see the F-keys much better. So it's probably an indicator of age. 
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Function keys made sense when they were still grouped in sets of 4 (F1-F4, F5-F8, F9-F12).
Since most keyboards now bunch them all together, you're much more likely to hit the wrong ones if you don't take your eyes away from the monitor to look at the keyboard. Because I knew where the gap was, I could simply feel without looking whether I was about to hit F1, F2, F3 or F4. Now it's a crapshoot, and I usually get it wrong.
This grouping existed for a reason...
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dandy72 wrote: Since most keyboards now bunch them all together
SACRILEGE!
Also one of the reasons that make me change keyboards.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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They made even more sense when they were in two columns on the left.
Truth,
James
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Probably the same idiot who put C next to V on the keyboard! How many time have I clicked [ctrl] - C when I meant to click [ctrl] - V and so clearing the contents of the clipboard that I was trying to paste! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Yep. And "X" on it'#s other side ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Heh, I don't have that problem anymore in Windows(on my own computer). I grew up using WordStar control sequences so I wrote an AutoHotKey script that lets me use the WordStar sequences on all the editors/word processors I use. I've also switched some keys to put the Ctrl key where the Caps Lock key is. Now if there was only an AutoHotKey clone for Linux I'd be stylin!
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I learned WordStar in the early 80's, and I have continued to use editors with WordStar key mappings ever since. My fingers know where to go. I once counted up that using Ctrl keys, I can do 14 operations that are one key or two (with the Ctrl key held down, of course). Currently I use an editor called joe which comes with a version jstar which uses WordStar key mapping. It is a great editor that runs on Linux. I don't know if it runs on Windows.
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I took a look and there is a Windows port. Though I don't know if it does jstar under windows. I will be taking a look at it for Linux though.
My favorite text editor is JEdit. It's got tons of plugins, many which are useful for programmers. It's also configurable enough to do the WordStar control sequences.
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I wondered why I've never had that problem before (didn't even know F4 is close, and as far as I can tell, it isn't).
Anyway, I have this keyboard[^].
Problem solved 
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Aside, I am forever thankful to the person who found out Ctrl + Z.
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Ctrl X next to Ctrl C
=)
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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My IBM Thinkpad has the Power switch next to the Delete button. 
My ASUS laptop has all function keys doubled up with 'handy' functions (Delete is also Insert) 
My wireless keyboard has a Control-Function key. You need to press that key to make the function keys work.
I'm not sure who design these thing, but they stink.
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There was a model of Macintoshes which had a protruding power button RIGHT NEXT to the floppy drive, EXACTLY where the floppy eject button would be if that were a computer that manually ejected its floppies.
Truth,
James
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If Microsoft's intent with the new folder structure is that a user does everything under their user directory...
(and this has been true for quite some time now (Vista, I believe, after WinXP).
...then why is it that the default behavior of File Explorer is to open the user up to the [This PC] area?
why doesn't Windows File Explorer default to the %userprofile% folder?
It makes no sense at all!!
I actually create folders under %userprofile% (c:\users\>username>) but every time I open File Explorer it opens me up to [This PC] and I have to click down into my user folder.
Yes, there is probably a registry key I can hack to do this, but why not set this to the default?
Microsoft is probably working diligently on this and it'll be in Win13 release. They're busy working on a new set of icons so all their dev resoures are unavaiable.
EDIT
Look you can choose where File Explore opens up to, but only two choices!!!
This PC or quick access. Ridiculous!!
https://i.stack.imgur.com/M5Kx9.png[^]
CRISIS AVERTED
Here's what I did:
1. Created a new Shortcut which points to Explorer.exe with command-lin argument of %userprofile%
2. Added shortcut to my quicklaunch bar
3. Added shortcut to desktop
4. Added system-wide hotkey Ctrl-Shift-Alt-F which will open File Explorer and navigate to %userprofile% instantly.
modified 24-Jun-22 15:23pm.
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If you open "Documents" it opens to the default documents folder, which for unmanaged systems is %userprofile%\documents. Managed systems may be elsewhere.
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Hmmm? Windows 10 defaults to Quick Access which seems like a good choice. Does it change in Win 11?
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I switched to Quick Access but that still isn't correct.
The challenge is that the fastest way to get to explorer is:
1. Right-click Start
2. click File Explorer
I can create a new shortcut to file Explorer & pass in %userprofile% and that will do it.
However, there is no way to alter the Start...File Explorer so it will go to %userprofile%
even with QuickAccess, getting to %userprofile% is a few clicks. It's just silly to me.
thanks for your idea though.
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Quickest way is just Win-E
When (and why) did Windows Explorer revert to being called "File Explorer" (a term I'm seeing increasingly frequently here and elsewhere?)
For me, the rot set into Windows when instead of having "File Manager" in Win 3.x, they switched to "Windows Explorer" in Win 95. No longer was the user in charge, "managing" their system, but instead they were an explorer trying to find their way through an undocumented jungle. At that time I'd just started freelancing, providing general Windows system support. With the explosion in the number of files involved, and the complexity, of Windows it's when I decided that one person was never going to be able to keep on top of Windows, and I moved across to application development.
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