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honey the codewitch wrote: Where is all the modern C++ code?
Right next to the modern COBOL code. 
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Oh so powerful?
Except that it’s also unreadable to the person who wrote it after a week has passed and completely unmaintainable by anyone else for the same reason.
That makes it powerful- but not good.
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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I use it in GFX and can read it a almost year after I wrote it, some of which I've picked up after putting down for I don't know how many months.
You just have to get used to the thought process behind them.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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What has your experience been? Does it require a clean install? If so, it is out of the question for me.
Ed
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I did an upgrade from Windows 10 when it was available via Windows Update. I have had few issues, other than learning some new ways of doing certain things.
One caveat is that I don't have a complicated setup. I have several vintages of Visual Studio and an older version of Office. I use Thunderbird for email and Chrome for my browser.
I'm also not one of those who insists on tweaking Windows "because Microsoft doesn't know what they're doing", which then destabilizes the system and proves their point.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: I have several vintages of Visual Studio and an older version of Office. I use Thunderbird for email and Chrome for my browser.
You could be using my PC! That's exactly my setup! 
/ravi
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Great minds think alike   .
Software Zen: delete this;
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I also did an upgrade from Windows 10 and have had no problems with it to this point.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I'm still waiting to do a clean install - one of these days ... 
Mind you, I said that with XP, and Win 7, and Win 10, and that's not done yet either so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting.
No problems so far - it's OK, but some bits annoy, mostly taskbar related.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I've done it both ways - an upgrade on some machines and a clean install on others. Doing a clean install allows you to get rid of the cruft that inevitably collects on any computer, but I haven't noticed major differences in performance etc.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I upgraded from Windows 10. It was easy and didn't lead to upgrader's remorse. Other posts have mentioned the handful of things that are annoying with Windows 11, but I haven't found anything that is really annoying and not easily remedied. For all the vitriol that MSFT gets, I've found Windows 7, 10, and 11 to be excellent overall.
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From my point of view, MS does an incredibly good job with upgrades and updates. Just think of the variety of target computers, it really works mostly very smoothly
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upgraded 3 computers from 10 to 11.
no sweat, but be sure to upgrade drivers for video cards.
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What about the fiasco involving the new interface for changing default file extension handlers?
How have you found that?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I think I had to look up how to do it to get an .rtf to open in WordPad rather than Word.
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I "upgraded" one machine from Win10 to Win11. The "upgrade" went surprisingly smoothly. The net result was a big disappointment: everything has been moved around, useful functionality has been taken away, a few stupid links have been added.
I don't need a one-click access to Disney+, I want a decent development machine. I stopped using the Win11 machine, and turned back to my previous machine, hoping some day, some year, some century, MS will become sensible.
Where do they think they got the right to turn a Mustang into a Pinto?
And why do we call it a user interface, when the user apparently has no say in it? I don't mind new functionality, new concepts, new capabilities, but I do want to make my own choices, and not being forced into what some ******* think I should want.
Luc Pattyn [My Articles]
The Windows 11 "taskbar" is disgusting. It should be at the left of the screen, with real icons, with text, progress, etc. They downgraded my developer PC to a bloody iPhone.
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Luc - was that a VM machine or a chunk of hardware?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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A very recent laptop, originally Win10, no VM at all.
Luc Pattyn [My Articles]
The Windows 11 "taskbar" is disgusting. It should be at the left of the screen, with real icons, with text, progress, etc. They downgraded my developer PC to a bloody iPhone.
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Installed it a few weeks ago upgrading from Windows 10.
No strange things, a very straightforward install.
It works very well and it looks nicer.
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My three month out of warranty (5 years) Dell XPS13 2-in-1 suddenly died (as in it shut off while in use and wouldn't turn back on). I replaced it with a Dell XPS 15 laptop. The first thing I did was install the Microsoft sourced Windows 11 from a USB stick. I had to use another PC to get the disk and network drivers from Dell, but Dell makes that ridiculously easy to do once you have the service tag.
My impressions of Windows 11 is that it still has some rough edges and one major UI flaw:
1) UI Flaw: The Start menu in Windows 10 was highly configurable and allowed you to create program groups. This made for extremely fast access to programs and files (using the free Pin File program from the Microsoft Store). Windows 11 does away with all this in favor of a more cell phone like model, but without the flexibility my Android phone has for this purpose.
2) MS-Edge in Windows 11 freezes when there are multiple "videos" attempting to play at the same time. I don't know if this is a device driver issue on my machine or if it's a problem in Edge itself.
In all other aspects it seems to be Windows 10 with a few minor and unobtrusive changes.
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I use Linux, and for home dev work, I have a Win7 VM with updates turned off.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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 x 10
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Sorry for going back to such an old thread. Apparently I wanted to go over it but hadn't caught up until now. Felt compelled to ask this:
#realJSOP wrote: I have a Win7 VM with updates turned off.
Why turn off updates? MS hasn't been pushing anything for 7 for quite some time now.
But then, given that's the case, I suppose one could argue why leave it on...?
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First, because I didn't want the nag dialogs trying to convince me to "upgrade" to a newer version of windows. Second, I don't allow the VM to connect to the web. If I need something from NuGet, I download it manually on my Linux desktop, and copy it from that location with the VM.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: First, because I didn't want the nag dialogs trying to convince me to "upgrade" to a newer version of windows
Right. I forgot about that one. I use WSUS, and the update that introduces the nag has been banished from it, so I never saw it - at least from any machine that gets its updates from the patch server.
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