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Especially in Italy (e.g. when you are living on the Etna or Stromboli)
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I always thought they were even with the ground. Otherwise, BUMP BUMP!!
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Then go out and look!
They NEVER even... and it is 'Slalom! Slalom, baby!' all the way...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Either that or a sinkhole.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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This is just one of the many advantages of living in a Third World country with delusions of grandeur. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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There was this sponsored picture in my tweeter feed.
Stupid, stupid, stupid... as if technical debts was caused by developers.
When clearly it's caused by managers!
Developers are well known (with some nervousness in some circle) as people who love to refactor old code (I do love to axe old stuff meself), but it's always obtuse management who come with "don't change what is working! Btw, can you fix bug 634523776 in that code?" or also "why did you change all of that? can't you just add a couple more if statements in this 3,000 lines long method?"
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Super Lloyd wrote: Developers are well known (with some nervousness in some circle) as people who love to refactor old code (I do love to axe old stuff meself), but it's always obtuse management who come with "don't change what is working!
Why replace something that's not broken? That's a risk, often without benefits, just new bugs. Meaning more costs, not income.
Super Lloyd wrote: Btw, can you fix bug 634523776 in that code?
That's what pays the bills, innit?
Super Lloyd wrote: "why did you change all of that? can't you just add a couple more if statements in this 3,000 lines long method?"
..I don't do methods that don't fit on A4 if printed.
Long methods make stuff complicated. Obfuscating makes it harder to maintain and debug, adding more costs and risks. It needs to be simple enough so that anyone new on the team can understand it, even if they had a previous career in management 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Super Lloyd wrote: Developers are well known (with some nervousness in some circle) as people who love to refactor old code (I do love to axe old stuff meself), but it's always obtuse management who come with "don't change what is working!
Why replace something that's not broken? That's a risk, often without benefits, just new bugs. Meaning more costs, not income.
Super Lloyd wrote: Btw, can you fix bug 634523776 in that code?
That's what pays the bills, innit?
See... that's the thing, they ask us to change it, so it was broken!
I don't care about old ugly code.... until I am asked to make a "quick simple fix"!
After a few of those, when it starts to make sense, I am like f*** it, I am going to make my life easier, simplify all that fugly pasta code!
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Super Lloyd wrote: See... that's the thing, they ask us to change it, so it was broken!
Ehr.. no. A change doesn't mean it is broken. A change is an improvement, if it was broken it'd be called a bug fix and not a change.
Super Lloyd wrote: I don't care about old ugly code.... until I am asked to make a "quick simple fix"!
After a few of those, when it starts to make sense, I am like f*** it, I am going to make my life easier, simplify all that fugly pasta code!
You could be held liable here. Your ideas of aestethics does not weigh up to the risc you introduce.
You not hired to make beautifull code, simple as that. And if managers complain it takes long to change it, point out the technical debt; but go rogue, and I have your changes reverted.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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See here... I can see we disagree.
You did prove that not everybody share my view which, in hindsight, I perfectly knew that already. In fact I mention those such as you, it's the nervous crowd.
if you must know your argument is lost on me (and on my previous bosses too) if they want me to continuously modify something by only adding code, and never remove... well they should not have hired me.
In fact you'll be please to know I have been fired a few times for cause related to that. Since never trimming down code that is an obstacle to my well being is.. almost physically painful to me and, well, I disagreed with others too.
In fact, during my job interviews now, so that I find compatible employers, when they ask my strong point, I tell them I am good at deleting code (and keeping the functionality).
And before you say that perhaps I should "learn" (to live with mess) I tried.. but this is too at odd with the desire to learn and improve that I also cultivate at work.
And since you mention that so called argument that "beautiful code is subjective", doing the same thing with half the number of classes, method and line of code is 100% objective so I am not convinced by your so called subjective superiority.
modified 7-May-21 21:59pm.
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Is it science fiction or science fact that space aliens have already invaded Earth? I say "Fact" - Cheerio
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PaltryProgrammer wrote: I say "Fact"
"They" Told You To Say That !
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Disguised as politicians. Mars Attacks!
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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The only aliens to come to Earth would be from the Galactic Communication Commission - they want us to stop polluting interstellar space with our broadcast TV programs.
I sympathise - how many reruns of "I Love Lucy" can they be expected to tolerate? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Somehow I don't think "I Love Lucy" is our worst offense.
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Fiction. As are "space aliens".
Also, nothing exceeds the speed of light. Now take a look at the distance. Yeah, not happening.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Dial Up Sound[^]
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Listened to it twice.
Enjoyed it.
Then thought????
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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I'm such an old timer that my telephone lines didn't even have sound.
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Hehehe, thanks for the new ringtone 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I am hoping for proper science fiction films in particular portrayals of the David Wingrove series "Chung Kuo" and of William Goldman's "Forever War" hopefully by directors of the likes of Ridley Scott or Paul Verhoeven certainly not the likes of George Lucas. - Cheerio
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There's hardly been a decent Sci-Fi film since the movies of the 50's and 60's (War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, This Island Earth, When World's Collide, Forbidden Planet, etc). All the recent ones are more concerned with people's feeling and emotional interaction with each other than having a good, solid story. Even the more science-fictiony movies, with space aliens taking over the planet or whatever are all about people's reactions to it rather than anything else. I'm not sure what I am trying to say here except I have read a lot of Sci-Fi books and most of them haven't been made into decent films - or even TV series.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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