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As a matter of fact, the brain-free drivers think their smarts are already hands-free driving vehicles. 
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Well - they can think and do as they please - it's their road, isn't it?
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Have to process a service pack to drive slowly in the left lane, with the right turn signal blinking if they want to sell them here.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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As much as I would like to have a hand-free car society, it won't be safe until all cars are hand-free.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Why on earth is this "thing" being pushed as a "thing"?
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Makes me wonder how this will effect insurance rates. I mean not anytime soon, but if/when we get to the point of it being the norm, and I mean fully-automated driving.
Surely they could no longer justify your rates based on age/gender/history/etc. anymore? Would we even need the "accident" aspect of the insurance at all? (still potential for theft and roadside damage I guess).
No doubt the insurance companies will suss out how to keep us paying full whack though.
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The more "obvious" point with respect to insurance and liability.
If the vehicle crashes, is the owner/driver responsible or Ford and it's software?
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I don't think it will matter much. The responsibility doesn't really affect the claim. I expect one could apply the same "which owner gets the bill" logic as they do now for the most part. Who pulled out the junction, who didn't break in time, etc.
The other interesting aspect is liability from the manufacturer to the owner in the event of injury, and furthermore what the scumbags of the world will try to do in order to cash-in on that liability. How does one trick the car into crashing without there being any proof it was tampered with? 
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musefan wrote: How does one trick the car into crashing without there being any proof it was tampered with?
Or, conversely, how does the manufacturer try to put blame for (known) software defects on the driver? (Not that could ever happen, of course).
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Well ... modern cars are already getting pretty good at avoiding accidents: radar braking, do-it-themselves swerving, and so on.
So in theory, insurance for a new well specced car should already be less than an older one ... hahahahaha ...
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OriginalGriff wrote: modern cars are already getting pretty good at avoiding accidents: radar braking, do-it-themselves swerving, and so on.
Friend-of-a-friend had a Mercedes that swerved, hard, to avoid a car it thought it was about to collide with. The system somehow failed to realize it was on a on-ramp and not really heading into that car, had the driver blindly kept going into a straight line.
Even though the dealer told him the system could be turned off, that wasn't enough reassurance for him - the next day the car was up for sale.
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I know what you mean, but ... it's still better than some of the drunken idiots we get rummaging in the glovebox while texting at motorway speeds past a school ...
OK, that's a little exaggerated, but not a whole lot. 
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In New Orleans it is under-exaggerated. I have seen much worse than that around here. My house is in a School Zone.
Drive at your own risk.
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Will their turn signals work?
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Depends - the world is now in the twelfth year of the BMW Blinker Fluid Shortage, with no signs of that ending any time this decade.
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They will introduce that as a "feature" in version 2.1...
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I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. 
It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
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SeanChupas wrote: It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars
Just some food for thought:
Here, we've a lot of software makers - many of whom do it for a living and any new item is potential income - yet you may notice the preponderance of opinion is closer to terror than glee.
Could it be they/we know something?
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SeanChupas wrote: I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new
Not all of us can afford a chauffeur.
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SeanChupas wrote: if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
The software between my ears has been improved over many generations, using genetic methods (i.e. those that didn't have a decent algorithm usually didn't live long enough to reproduce). The software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder, and has little to no track record.
What software should I trust more?
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: he software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder
Not true at all. Can you imagine? These businesses understand the legal ramifications of having buggy software.
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Yes, but airline travel is still the most safe and secure way to travel.
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Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws.
The licensor typically does not warrant that the software can do anything, and limits any damages (if even applicable) to the cost of the software.
You will only start seeing bug-free software (at a premium price...) when such license "agreements" are made illegal.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws.
You think that would hold up in court if your buggy code killed someone?
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