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obermd wrote: ... bought their licenses during a Blue-Light Special (at Kmart)
That's not nearly insulting enough for the allegedly licensed driver whose actions I witnessed.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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No, that's reserved for the guy who puts his golf clubs in the back seat.
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Many years ago (but well within my lifetime) an English acquaintance of mine spent some years in Jamaica. There they taught themselves to "drive", and acquired a driving license (which involved filling in a form and paying a fee, nothing else). On their return to the UK the DVLA (or whatever it was at the time) was quite happy to accept their Jamaican license as proof they could drive, and issued a full UK license with no need for a test. (As it happens, they were pretty good drivers, fortunately).
I don't know if such arrangements still exist, but I suspect they - or very similar - still do 
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We had similar issues starting in the 1990's with immigrants from the former Soviet Union, who came with driver's licenses that often proved nothing more than that they could afford to pay the fee. The Israeli Ministry of Transport then required everyone who immigrated to pass the full driver's test (written + practical) before converting a foreign license to an Israeli one.
(Israel is a signatory to the various international driver's license agreements, so most tourists can still use their foreign licenses in Israel.)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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The UK Government seems to be doing it's utmost to avoid using the word "passport", when discussing Covid Passports Covid Status Certificates - and I don't understand why. A passport, by definition, is something that provides you the freedom to travel, participate, enter, etc. That sounds like a good thing, to me!
Admittedly, those that oppose the whole idea, seem to have managed to hijack the word "passport" to imply it's bad. But do the Government think that, by using different words, no-one will realise what they are?
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5teveH wrote: But do the Government think that, by using different words, no-one will realise what they are?
Not "no-one"... but many will miss the connection. Until the next meme does it's rounds to "educate" them that they are the same thing.
You seem to underestimate how stupid most people are. I mean, you even say yourself about the people that have been convinced that "passport" is bad. Gullible fools, and the governments know this well.
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musefan wrote: Gullible fools, and the governments know this well.
Basically what you say is correct, but this part needs some enhancement.
It's not just the government that knows they're gullible but those who have convinced them not to get vaccinated, not to wear masks, not to socially distance, and in some cases, know for sure that the government is trying to 'chip' them.
Hypothesis: those that get most if not all of their information via that electronic device that never leaves there hand have come to think of it as part of themselves, or, at least, their dearest friend that relieves their loneliness. In all things they trust it's certainty and unequivocal truth . . . basically a planet full of morons.
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Quote: a planet full of morons.
There's your problem right there!  ...unfortunately true.
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I think it's a damn good idea - and I don't really care what name they use.
The NHS already records your vaccination status (and Covid test results) against your medical record anyway, so why not have a piece of paper that lets others know you are a bit safer than a total stranger?
If it lets people relax a little and opens up the economy a bit as well without increasing the risk factors, that's got to be a good thing.
Unless of course you decide not to take the offered vaccine ... in which case it acts as a IQ card as well ... 
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modified 8-Apr-21 6:18am.
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HNS ?
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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pkfox wrote: HNS ?
Welsh. 
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: pkfox wrote: HNS ?
Welsh
No, then it would be LLHLLNS.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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GIG Cymru: Gwasanaeth Iechyd Gwladol (Cymru).
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As a Yank who has driven in Wales on off days during work trips, navigation sometimes came down to looking at a sign that said something like "Lhggfgdgthnbdbgdgfdvdhjdjdhdgdffdhnnbggd" and deciding, "eh, just turn right and see what happens."
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And not really difficult to pronounce.
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OriginalGriff wrote: I think it's a damn good idea - and I don't really care what name they use.
Yes, me too. And, as an occasional concert/festival goer, I doubt I'll be attending anything without a requirement to prove attendees are Covid safe.
How come we are still in an age where politicians believe, (possibly, quite rightly), that we are too stupid to see when a word is being abused/misused? I know this is not, by any means, the first politicisation of a word, (e.g: you are not a 'patriot' unless you vote for me!), but it is a sad state of affairs. Not helped, of course, by the media who love a sound-bite they can sensationalise.
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And ... it's a perfect word if you want to leave the country for a holiday ... you may find it difficult to get into your destination without one!
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I often ask myself why the vaccine is not mandated world wide. Instead, it is voluntary in places. If the virus was so deadly then we all would have to take the vaccine whether we wanted to or not, to save the human race.
Perhaps COVID is deadly, but not as deadly as some would think/hope.
Perhaps governments know this, and know that having a COVID passport feeds into this madness and hysteria. The United States government will not mandate a covid passport. Instead, they are leaving it up to the individual States to decide - with most States not currently implementing or entertaining the idea.
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In the end it's probably going to come down simple commercial interests. Businesses, putting on events, need to attract as many people as possible. If they lose more customers who fear Covid, than those who fear loss of their liberty, they will probably be asking for Covid Passports. Those businesses also need to consider their health & safety responsibilities and the legal repercussions of not ensuring an event is safe for customers to attend. If a venue gets sued because someone died of Covid, the entertainment industry will be forced into implementing 'something' - because they won't get liability insurance without it.
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Me personally, I don't care either way.
The vaccine is a no brainer for me. I got the vaccine and I don't mind proving it if I have to.
I guess I will just sit back and see where New York goes with this...and the world. Popcorn and seltzer at the ready. 
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Slacker007 wrote: If the virus was so deadly then we all would have to take the vaccine whether we wanted to or not, to save the human race.
Even if the majority were to die from a virus, the human race would be "saved"; so that's not the issue. It's about minimising deaths as a result of the virus - and not just those directly attributable to the disease itself. If healthcare is so over-worked that giving birth, or breaking a leg, or having an asthma attack results in death then society would revolt, governments would be overthrown. If the same number of people die of a "novel" disease, there is a scapegoat (the virus) and life - in the wider sense - goes on.
But from a wider perspective, perhaps in order to save not only the human race but the planet in general, we need a "thinning down" of the human population. Current numbers are plainly unsustainable, yet any planned reduction in numbers (hopefully through reduced birth rate rather than anything else) is not yet something that can be comfortably spoken about in public. (And that has to change). But in any event, Covid is nowhere near deadly enough to make a noticeable impact on overall population levels, despite the tragic and painful loss of around 3 million lives so far.
As for "madness and hysteria", the only hysteria I've seen is from the deniers. Maybe it's different elsewhere...
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5teveH wrote: But do the Government think that, by using different words, no-one will realise what they are?
Why not? it works all the time. The whole concept of euphemisms plays to the same mental blind spot.
(I could also give multiple examples from all types of government, but that would be veering too close to politics.)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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everything about the covid "passport" is politics. it has nothing to do with public safety.
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It is only about safety; and depending on where you spend your holiday you need more vaccines.
I don't understand what is so "scary" about this one.
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..the only reason I can think of to call it "scary", is politics. After all the succesfull vacination programmes, wiping our polio that put an Murican president in a wheelchair; why oppose public health and the limiting of transmisson?
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