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Richard MacCutchan wrote: As with everything Covid related, there are more unknown unknowns than known ones.
I think this is what you really meant. 
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Better than the other one.
However, if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine.
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Quote: However, if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine.
And yet we have a new 'flu' jab every year ...
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There are new flu variants every year, so the 'jab' needs to be updated.
Many vaccines don't provide permanent immunity.
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Unlike the COVID vaccine, flu vaccines are for the most prevalent flu strain the year prior. The flu vaccine is 100% a guessing game and not guaranteed to work at all.
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Slacker007 wrote: The flu vaccine is 100%
No - the North American/European flu vaccine is usually tailored (ask Griff!) to target the most common variants seen in Asia and Australia in the southern winter months. It is not guesswork, but sometimes another variant gains a foothold in the northern hemisphere that is not in the vaccine.
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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its guess work. they are guessing (hoping?) they have the correct variants in the vaccine, based on last year's data. they don't really know for certain what variants will be active "this" year.
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Why did you go to work today? Why didn't you go out and spend all your money on having a good time?
I mean - you are only guessing (hoping?) that you are going to be alive tomorrow.
Or maybe the probabilites has affected your guess and you made choices accordingly.
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: However, if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine.
This is dangerous pseudo-science that you are promulgating and it could cause innocent minds to reject their vaccine. i guess you'll be thrown off the forum soon.
In future, please check with your local Journalists to determine if you are allowed to say a thing or not.
For now, you'll be placed in prison for your safety.
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raddevus wrote: i guess you'll be thrown off the forum soon.
or at least taken to the re-education camps.
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There are many different vaccines; some last your whole life others for only short periods. But they are still vaccines.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: if it doesn't provide protection for several years at least, then it ain't a vaccine
Hmm. Do you have pets? If you do, do you take them for shots annually?
For that matter, do you have children?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Where did you get the "only" part? All it says is that it works for at least 6 months, which is what realistically can be measured.
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I like to roast the peppers and tomatoes before I make the salsa. I find it imparts a much better flavor to the overall condiment.
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As pointed out by others, it's at least six months. That, however, misses an even more important observation in a version of the article I read: it works very well against the South African strain.[^]
Actually, these all have only EUA . . . Emergency Use Authorization. They passed stage 3 testing but still hadn't done the one item that is needed for normal authorization: a study of the long-term effects, if any - because that would take that five years they'd been talking about when it was all still under development. That data is developing as we speak with a huge data set - hundreds of millions - because it's worth the risk.
As for your remarks about, effectively, the need for boosters. Many vaccines require boosters over varying periods of time. I had to have polio shot boosters as a kid - the DPT shot has to be repeated, periodically, as the immunity wears down.
COVID is, like the flu, mutating at a comparatively rapid rate. It would be less rapid were it not for two items:
1) people in poorer countries that are mainly unvaccinated allowing many victims and chances for mutation. Like it or not, this needs to be fixed (enlightened self interest, at the least).
2) hoards of morons, selfish and otherwise, in richer countries who refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation or (at least pretend) to think it's all a hoax. Politically, they're willing to die for their party. So they gather, travel, and otherwise super-spread COVID and help it mutate as fast as possible. Caution is for sissies!
Group (2) has a death wish and wants us all to share in it.
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It'll become "part of the norm" like the yearly flu shot. Mark my words.
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A world of difference and a sensible conservative statement given how long it's actually been in use and in trials.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Slacker007 wrote: for how long?
Only long enough to hunt down and execute all the carriers - no problem.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Slacker007 wrote: for how long?
As required.
We beat polio. Look it up, stop whining.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Slacker007 wrote: Pfizer only good for 6 months after inoculation
I read this as "Pizza only good for 6 months", and I began wondering what sort of pizza and what sort of pizza storage was involved. Oh dear. 
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So off I trotted to the post office to get it done.
And of course they need a photo.
I'm shocked!
They made me remove my face mask, in a shop, in public, just a for licence that'll only last 8 years!
It's as if the government thinks we'll be back to bare faces by then ... 
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I can't wait until I renew mine this year. I lost my right eye in a fall last autumn, and my state requires a vision test for license renewal. My peripheral vision on the right ends just a tad westward of my nose.
Software Zen: delete this;
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